For those confused, the concern of most of us is not that free palestine is an antisemitic statement, it is unequivocally not. The antisemitic part is thinking that because someone is jewish (ordering a kosher meal) that they need to be harassed and told “free palestine” let alone made to question the safety of their food.
What if this was directed at someone wearing an Israeli flag. Does that mean it was not targeting a Jewish person and instead voicing political opposition to a political entity?
If the person was wearing the flag, and it was a one off, then I’d say, personally that it would be fine, but it seems this was just written on the kosher meals
Way more than Jewish people order the kosher meal on a plane. You’re making a bit of a leap assuming they’re not Israeli. Not to mention assuming the story is real for which there’s no evidence.
That feels like the type of nuance that a person who would assume that Jewish-person = support-for-Israel’s-genocide would not have the forethought of.
Well they sure as hell are doing a lot more “Support for Israel” protests around the world and barely anything for Palestine. They’re actually selling land in Gaza in New York and ONLY Jewish people can purchase it. Disgusting.
Yes; I would agree that behavior of those people is egregious.
But I’m not actually certain you want to be on record as saying that the behavior of the majority of a group means we can judge every member of that group by it, do you? Reviving prejudicial practices feels like the wrong bandwagon.
Absolutely not, but the comment by the OC was an easy way to deflect what the majority of that population thinks. And the stickers were provided to everyone on the flight, not just specific passengers.
Which is terrible of Israel and rightly deserves criticism; I miss how it necessitates us, as individuals, to be alright or comfortable with the conflation of all Jewish people, as a whole, with holding unified belief, particularly in a world with a very long history of prejudice that argues they’re a wily group that works in unified concert to achieve singular ends.
Isreal picked this fight and has been calling any criticism of their actions antisemitism. They framed the argument and turned their state actions into a racial issue.
Which is bad; obviously. Nobody in this thread is doing any apologia for Israel.
In part because that’s not what depicted in this image, is it? This was a message written explicitly on kosher meals likely because the person who did it was conflating all Jewish people with being Israel supporters. Unless you’re O. K. with profiling, it should not be hard to identify the problem here. Fighting individual Jewish people is not the same as fighting Israel and it’s certainly not one we should be tolerating.
I am an american Jew. I am not committing genocide (well, the US is committing several right now but I don’t have shit to do with it in fact I am protesting it as much as I can and my professional work in no way supports it) Fuck all the way off with that racist as fuck shit. I am not guilty of what some other Jewish (and plenty of non Jewish people) are doing any more than every arab is guilty of 9/11 or any other terrorism. People are not responsible for crimes of people who share a background with them.
Fucking neither you racist fuckwit, I’m not allowed in the US military anyways I’m trans. Also, congrats, you have asked me the most racist question I think I’ve ever been directly asked. Good job.
For those confused, the concern of most of us is not that free palestine is an antisemitic statement, it is unequivocally not. The antisemitic part is thinking that because someone is jewish (ordering a kosher meal) that they need to be harassed and told “free palestine” let alone made to question the safety of their food.
The details are lacking, if this is on everyones meals, then that’s ok in my books, if it only targets Jewish people then there is a problems
https://liveandletsfly.com/free-palestine-iberia-kosher-meal/ It was on other kosher meals, it does not technically say it wasn’t also on other non-kosher meals. I think it’s a reasonable assumption though.
Yeah, if that’s the case then it’s a big issue with me.
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No? What a silly thing to say
Hold on a second. That articles from August 6th. The post is from August 20th. Something is clearly not right here.
People post links to things weeks after the fact on Twitter all the time; that’s pretty benign.
What if this was directed at someone wearing an Israeli flag. Does that mean it was not targeting a Jewish person and instead voicing political opposition to a political entity?
If the person was wearing the flag, and it was a one off, then I’d say, personally that it would be fine, but it seems this was just written on the kosher meals
muslims would likely prefer kosher meals as well, unless there’s a specifically halal option.
Way more than Jewish people order the kosher meal on a plane. You’re making a bit of a leap assuming they’re not Israeli. Not to mention assuming the story is real for which there’s no evidence.
https://liveandletsfly.com/free-palestine-iberia-kosher-meal/ Appears real, was on other kosher meals, and was not Israeli.
well the question is: Did they put notes on non-kosher meals?
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Why do you think that the flight crew knew that the passenger was Jewish?
because you have to ask for a kosher meal specifically.
Are only jewish people allowed to ask for kosher meals?
That feels like the type of nuance that a person who would assume that Jewish-person = support-for-Israel’s-genocide would not have the forethought of.
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Are all Jewish people committing genocide?
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Well they sure as hell are doing a lot more “Support for Israel” protests around the world and barely anything for Palestine. They’re actually selling land in Gaza in New York and ONLY Jewish people can purchase it. Disgusting.
Yes; I would agree that behavior of those people is egregious.
But I’m not actually certain you want to be on record as saying that the behavior of the majority of a group means we can judge every member of that group by it, do you? Reviving prejudicial practices feels like the wrong bandwagon.
Absolutely not, but the comment by the OC was an easy way to deflect what the majority of that population thinks. And the stickers were provided to everyone on the flight, not just specific passengers.
If isreal claims antisemitism for criticism of their policies, then they brought the Jewish population into this mess.
Which is terrible of Israel and rightly deserves criticism; I miss how it necessitates us, as individuals, to be alright or comfortable with the conflation of all Jewish people, as a whole, with holding unified belief, particularly in a world with a very long history of prejudice that argues they’re a wily group that works in unified concert to achieve singular ends.
Isreal picked this fight and has been calling any criticism of their actions antisemitism. They framed the argument and turned their state actions into a racial issue.
Which is bad; obviously. Nobody in this thread is doing any apologia for Israel.
In part because that’s not what depicted in this image, is it? This was a message written explicitly on kosher meals likely because the person who did it was conflating all Jewish people with being Israel supporters. Unless you’re O. K. with profiling, it should not be hard to identify the problem here. Fighting individual Jewish people is not the same as fighting Israel and it’s certainly not one we should be tolerating.
Then tell isreal to stop claiming antisemitism for criticism. Thats making it racial.
And still doesn’t justify anyone blaming individual Jewish people.
I am an american Jew. I am not committing genocide (well, the US is committing several right now but I don’t have shit to do with it in fact I am protesting it as much as I can and my professional work in no way supports it) Fuck all the way off with that racist as fuck shit. I am not guilty of what some other Jewish (and plenty of non Jewish people) are doing any more than every arab is guilty of 9/11 or any other terrorism. People are not responsible for crimes of people who share a background with them.
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Fucking neither you racist fuckwit, I’m not allowed in the US military anyways I’m trans. Also, congrats, you have asked me the most racist question I think I’ve ever been directly asked. Good job.
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That’s antisemitic.
If Isreal claims antisemitism for criticism of their state sponsored policy, then yes.
No, because you’re conflating Jewish people with Israel.
Isreal did that first.
I’m glad you chose such a good role model.
My role model is Judge James Horton. But go ahead with your cancel culture line of ad hominem attack.
Do they also copy Israel? How many Gazans have they slain? Do you or them also sterilize Africans?
LMAO what a baby, eggshell ego that can’t handle anyone not swallowing their bullshit.
You’re the one that said it’s okay to do something if Israel did it first, it’s not ad hominem.