• daq@lemmy.sdf.org
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    6 hours ago

    Too late to say anything now that you’ve helped elect the orange felon. Too bad you couldn’t stfu before and steered a significant amount of people to vote for the cunt as a protest vote. Enjoy the alternative.

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      you’ve helped elect the orange felon

      I never see liberals say this shit to Obama or Clinton, despite Barry and Hildawg being the two most invigorating force behind the 2016 Trump climb to the top of the GOP Primary. I don’t see them flinging it at the Starmer campaign staff, who popped across the pond to neatly derail Harris’s poll climb with their shitty advice. I certainly don’t see any mention of the DNC, the Dem donor class, or anyone who actually ran for office taking blame.

      But hey, maybe cuddle up closer to your friends the Cheneys next election cycle. Maybe they’ve got the secret sauce that wins elections.

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      Did you think that maybe uniting behind an evil candidate as your collective sole effort to defeat Trump was a bad plan?

      You all say, “if only you all did what we did, we would have won.” That’s true in reverse - if you had all only done what we did, we would have won. And we wouldn’t have had a war criminal in office either.

      Why is the Democrat the default vote? How is it compatible with democracy at all, that the one thing we actually control as a people, the vote, isn’t even based on who’s the best candidate?

      In my mind, this is very simple, we have a basic responsibility as a people to exercise FULL control over who’s in office, to secure the outcomes we want. And we’re failing to do that. We don’t go through the process of figuring out who out of every candidate is best. The TV tells us which of two candidates to pick, and we pick one of those two. That eliminates all democratic checks on the government.

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        Hey you can elect this person that’ll slap you or this person that’ll stab you in the face.

        Oh well the slapping is so bad we should just not choose either and give the win to face stabby candidate. That’s the dumbass “logic” that got us here.

        I mean, I fully expect it was also mostly a foreign psyop to steer votes toward Trump or at least generate apathy and keep votes from going to Kamala (same outcome more or less). Mostly because it’s such a dumb premise of why you wouldn’t vote for Harris and just sit out the election. So I can’t imagine it was truly widespread and I think that’s also why it’s crickets now that the election is over and Russia’s orange gremlin candidate for president of the USA won.

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          The actual choice:

          A) Stabs you in the heart

          B) Stabs you in the lung

          C) No stabbing, picks wildflowers for you

          And you guys go, “C isn’t viable! At least you’re less likely to die if you get stabbed in the lung - you have an entire hour to get to the hospital!”

          Bro, C is right there. Was there the whole time. Why the fuck would we, AS A POPULATION, choose anything but the best option.

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            49% of the country is voting for A

            49% of the country is voting for B

            2% of the country is voting C

            Idunno guys, I just feel like if we work really hard to siphon votes away from B, we can make it work

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            No, C is not “right there” when our electoral politics work the way they do. That’s a huge strawman argument.

            The reality is there were two choices, one clearly better for Palestinians.

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              A strawman argument is when they misrepresent something you’re saying, not when you think they’re wrong about how electoral politics work.

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                Yes, they took my argument and created a false third choice that was never part of the argument. Then said to choose that.

                That’s misrepresenting what I said to have that third choice.

                Regardless we’re getting very pedantic here and I’m not really disagreeing with you if that matters to you.

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              “Work the way they do”. Oh, OK. If that’s not how electoral politics work!

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            By your logic, choices A through Z all have equal odds of winning.

            They don’t.

            I can go into a full explanation about how you’re wrong and you are also to blame for this happening, but I won’t cause were so far past the tipping point there no reason to explain it to you anymore. Just know most everyone here knows you’re either ignorant or dumb. The rest of us know you’re both

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              The odds of winning, for the candidate that secures a majority of EC votes, is exactly 100% (so long as that process is followed). The determining factor of that is the voting decisions of the population. That is not a function you can describe only in probabilistic terms. By all means, let’s hear your broken explanation filled with omissions and logical errors.

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            There are no wildflowers on the road to hell, but it is paved with good intentions.

            C is right there only if you’re naive enougn to believe it.

            Most people don’t want war. Yet they will go to war, each side convinced in their own self-righteousness. That is the human condition. Picking wildflowers isn’t going to stop the Nazi boot or anything else for that matter. Another way to think about it - Charlie Chaplin’s messages in the 1930s were great, full of hope, and reached a lot of people. But that was nowhere near what was needed. Tens of millions had to die. It’s not gonna be any different this time around, Chaplin or no Chaplin.

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              It’s not the “human condition”. All of these things are products of cultural practices and belief systems. Not all societies wage war. Not all societies put mass murderers in control. You cannot be so careless with your logic and hope to ever arrive at a correct conclusion.