Have to admit i don’t quite agree with telling people you’ll skin them alive, it’s fucking rude you fucking cunt.
Oi, you cunt rot! Don’t tell me what’s fucking rude, you festering penis wrinkle.
Have to admit i don’t really know how to swear like an irish
You don’t have to admit anything, you incestuous turnip of flatulence. Your exhales are responsible for 99% of the world’s cases of leprosy.
(But I love you)
Have to admit, i love you too
Let’s get married, you daft splinter digging in a taint!
have to admit, incestuous turnip is not something I’d ever thought I’d read
You should have more realistic expectations when browsing social media, you ever-moistening boil upon the sluttiest troll’s ass.
dawg what
Did you know that strawberries are the only fruit with seeds on the outside? Of course, in your case instead of seeds it is the non-divergent familial offspring of eye crust and smegma.
Why the parentheses? Doesn’t the above just mean the same thing in Irish?
You’re absolutely right, you septic bonfire!
penis wrinkle
A pp roll
Ill wait until you’ve died first.
But only if it puts the lotion on its skin.
You fucker implying my skin ain’t good enough? That’s probably racists, … maybe, I guess technically?
I think it has more to do with how not taking violent threats seriously enough has led to escalation into real world violence.
Say cunt and whatever but this is a pretty tone deaf post in a world where the Myanmar Genocide, enabled significantly by Facebook’s lax moderation practices, is ongoing.
In case Im not the only one who’s heard of this for the first time:
“In 2017, the Rohingya were killed, tortured, raped, and displaced in the thousands as part of the Myanmar security forces’ campaign of ethnic cleansing. In the months and years leading up to the atrocities, Facebook’s algorithms were intensifying a storm of hatred against the Rohingya which contributed to real-world violence,” said Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International’s Secretary General.
You’re not alone. It rung a bell somewhere in the back of my head, but I couldn’t remember pretty much anything about it and was about to search it up myself.
There’s a difference between moderation and censorship of “bad words”. I can call for the violent genocide of another people without a single “bad word”, but I can also praise humanity using nothing but curses.
The underlying problem is, that moderation serves the interests of advertisers, not people. KFC will happily advertise between calls to genocide in a third world country- it’s finger chopping good. But if someone says fuck next to a coke bottle, the apocalypse is near.
I can also praise humanity using nothing but curses.
I’m throwing down the challenge flag on this one.
Motherfucking badass bitches.
Hear, hear.
Ground rules: can I use pronouns and prepositions?
Absolutely. Let’s put it this way: even if you break the “rules” I still expect to get a good laugh out of this.
An Australian Zoomer:
You cunts fuck!
Asskicking motherfuckers. Skullfucking the fuck out of this fucking shitfest.
Here’s ChatGPT’s take:
“Holy shit, humanity, you foul-mouthed bunch of magnificent misfits! Against all the goddamn odds, you’ve managed to build wonders that would make even the universe blush with envy! You’ve taken the raw sewage of existence and spun it into the finest silk of civilization, you sons of bitches! Your resilience is tougher than a two-dollar steak, and your ingenuity is sharper than a box of goddamn razor blades! You’ve danced with death, spat in the face of despair, and flipped the bird to fate itself! You’re a bunch of crazy, chaotic, beautiful motherfuckers, and I wouldn’t have it any other way! Keep on raising hell and blazing trails, you magnificent bastards!”
Kinda meh…
That doesn’t sound like an underlying problem that sounds like a coincidence and like greedy idjits doing the thing in the wrong way
Like yeah, content that doesn’t call for genocide is also more advertiser friendly in addition to being safer for marginalized communities in the real world.
I think the solution is a moderating format that involves more open source work, assign accounts a value that weighs their reports by how serious the accusation is, but also by how often they’ve turned up credible reports in the past, have the report come with three parts, the reported post or comment, the rule or rules the reporter think it violates, and a text box for them to give some explanation of why they think it breaks the rules in case it isn’t obvious.
Once someone has a high enough rating and volume for reports, earmark them to become a paid moderator.
Und voilà, you have home grown community moderators familiar with the rules and with sneaky ways bad actors try to get around them, along with a process to quickly get more whenever you launch in a new community.
This may be because tumblr is more culturally homogenous and you can tell when someone is serious. There’s no way to tell with crackpots on Facebook
Have to admit, I don’t know why we’re all starting our comments this way, but I’m a follower.
In semi-related news, yesterday I got suspended for 3 days from !politics@lemmy.world for joking about the death of a billionaire and from !worldnews@lemmy.ml, also for 3 days, for airing misgivings about a collaboration between Chinese and Hungarian cops.
Some people really need to chill the fuck out 🤦
Getting banned from worldnews@lemmy.ml is incredibly easy as they’re super sensitive about china and anything negative gets deleted or gets you banned. They love simping for prc/ccp and pretending they’re not.
Yeah, the ban reason stated in the modlog was just one word: “Sinophobia” 😄
They’re just like Israel misusing antisemetic. They throw that and rasism around trying to defend / deflect actions by the prc/ccp that they well know are fucked. It’s pretty pitiful
My ban from hexbear - and I know this is super low hanging fruit - was for genocide denial.
For saying that Russian atrocities in Ukraine resemble genocide. These people are literally incapable of processing irony.
Sounds very familar to r/Sino. I wonder if there’s any connection…
Afaik lemmy.ml and lemmingrad are both tankie as fuck
Some people on ml aren’t (though many are. I’d say it’s about a 70-30 split of moderately to far left sane people (70%) to actual tankies (30%) in my admittedly completely anecdotal experience.
Have yet to see anyone from lemmygrad who’s NOT a tankie, though. It’s a real shame since the name is a damn fine pun!
I almost made an account there because of that, before finding out that it’s more than just a joke name lol
Two groups join lemmy.ml: those who know it’s the instance run by the core Lemmy developers and join hoping for a stable experience, and those who join because of the devs’ political beliefs. This leads to a weird mix of actual quality content and tankie propaganda.
I wish it was all the latter so I could block the instance without losing the former.
I have met maybe two or three other .ml users who know anything about contemporary leftist politics or political science in general. Even the moderates over there are just parroting the same century old orthodox dogma which has literally zero contemporary examples. “Haha mass murder is funny, violent cannibalism, why don’t people like our message, they must be brainwashed, we will make them learn.”
These are, by and large, people who seem to believe that Jacobin or the fucking Internationale suffers from a lack of edgy fan service.
Unfortunately, tankies often actually have a really good sense of humor. Shame they waste it on such bullshit.
Shit my final ban was just for saying that I don’t remember there being much mass rape during the US revolution.
It’s incredibly ironic that these are the people who created Lemmy because they kept getting banned from reddit for saying liberals should be dropped from helicopters.
I’ve seen a few posts advocating various ill fortune for billionaires get removed. As I said somewhere else, I can kind of understand it from a CYA perspective. The staff don’t want to turn into a violent conspiracy hub. On the other, billionaires are ruining the world for everyone else and defending them is fucked up when viewed like that.
I wasn’t even advocating for anything or celebrating a death, just making a dark joke about not caring because it was a billionaire. I mean, I definitely DO consider billionaires and hectomillionaires inherently harmful, but unless they’re KNOWN to be truly heinous like Trump, Kissinger, or Limbaugh, I don’t go anywhere near as far as to actually celebrate their death, which is what the rule specifically forbids.
I get how there has to be a limit, but joking about not caring about some billionaire who wasn’t even a public figure? That’s not harming anyone unless you’re saying it at the family or sadistic shit like that 🤷
Lemme guess… Tesla drowning incident?
Yup, that’s the one. My joke was basically complaining that it was cruel to connect her to Mitch Mcconnell just because her sister married him and then saying “nevermind, she was a billionaire 🤷”
Anyone got a link?
https://lemmy.world/post/12957614
Checking back, it’s a veritable massacre of deleted comments on that post, probably a dozen or two other people banned as well. Looks like the mods panicked lol
Huh, post not visible on my instance!
That’s weird… I’m pretty sure it can’t be a defederation issue since you’re on sh.itjust.works and it can’t be because it hasn’t federated YET either since it’s a post from yesterday 🤔
Been suspended from lemmy.ml is like a rite of passage.
Any political community demanding “civility” is enabling trolls by misunderstanding how humans interact.
Tankies can simply fuck off.
I stay well away from .ml and hex. My blood pressure is too sacred.
To be fair, replying with I’ll skin you alive is pretty extreme/completely unnecessary.
There’s reasonable discourse and then there’s just “Fuck you dumb idiot” type responses which add nothing to a conversation.
I’d consider his response pretty childish/immature although a less extreme version of it makes sense.
I think you have to know your audience. Hyperbolic threats of violence from someone I know isn’t violent make me laugh, they are not mean, they are funny.
Also this guy is kinda known for fairly violent comedy videos, so “I’ll skin you alive” is pretty tame for him.
For example he’s created an ad that ended up being banned by the UK advertising watchdog, twice:
Adverts given the green light by Surfshark included gun violence, child death, and namedropping competitors
Source: indy100
This just tells me the guy is actually violent though. If he’s literally getting banned for his stuff then he can say it’s for comedy/meant to be funny, but he’s missing the mark.
Complaining about being censored in this case isn’t really valid as he’s going over the line.
You should actually watch some of his videos then. He’s doesn’t complain about being censored and he fully supports the advertising agency’s rulings. In the violent ones that were “banned” (just cut out of their respective videos), he fully agrees he was pushing the envelope which was entirely his intention.
He says it even better in his video “Dear Surfshark, Please Forgive Me” https://youtu.be/mono4nHA1QI?si=R40wu5LlEHoZ-cwT
Why should I watch him? He sounds entirely unpleasant, and I’d much rather watch someone who isn’t pushing the envelope.
You’re taking a couple comments at face value, when the actual creator goes into detail about each one of his ads and the thought process about them. He’s legitimately a great guy and creator who does his best to be respectful with what he does. He’s very upfront that his content isn’t made for kids, including the best content warnings I’ve seen a content creator do on their media.
Perhaps, but nothing I’ve seen mentioned sparks my interest. I’m not a fan of “shock comedy,” and while foul language doesn’t offend me, it also doesn’t interest me.
That said, I’m glad he’s respectful.
I’d much rather watch someone who isn’t pushing the envelope.
The personality of a housecat
Chill man. This person’s obviously blind to nuance and they’re only going to get worse if we provoke them.
We can’t afford to let these people just stew in their own misery. People have power, and if we can’t bring this person into the fold for all we know they could be the next hitler or something.
How boring.
Why should I watch him?
Because you’re making stupid judgments about him based on perceived certainty that your level of knowledge doesn’t warrant, and if you can see with your own eyes that you’re wrong on the calls you’ve made so far it might make you less likely to fall on the wrong side of something when it truly matters, like if you’re on jury duty and have another person’s fate in your hands.
So I should watch him because I don’t know what his content is like? There’s a lot of content I’m unfamiliar with, so much that I can’t possibly watch it all.
So far, nobody has given a compelling reason why I should watch it, and “it’s not as offensive as people claim” isn’t a very strong sales pitch. It’s not a reason to watch it, it’s just a reason to not avoid it, which isn’t the same thing.
So I’ll ask again, why should I watch him? What unique value does he offer over other content?
Why speculate when you can go and see for yourself what his content is like?
Well it’s not violent from what I can see, but it’s also not funny.
He hasn’t posted in a while though, so I think I’d have to check out what he’s like on twitter to see if he’s turned into some erratic psycho.
That’s his main channel with the higher production skits. There’s also his side channel at https://youtube.com/@TomSkaAndFriends which has a lot of great content as well. If you don’t find him funny, that’s a valid opinion since we have different views on what’s comedic. But assuming he’s turned into some “erratic psycho” is just rude.
I’m just going off what he himself has posted.
Ultimately it may be completely out of context, but based purely on the small sample he appears a bit extreme. It’s the problem with small snippets like this, and why you need to be careful with what you post.
I think this quickly goes into bad territory.
It’s very easy to be racist/sexist and then just say “It was a joke bro! Calm down!” as an example.
If you’re making violent “jokes” but saying it’s not real… Well sorry to say but you’re actually just violent and pretending otherwise.
Yeah thats definitely true. Humans evolved bashing the brains of animals and other humans in. All of civilization is violent people pretending not to be violent.
Including you. You’re violent as fuck in the right situations. And the only thing keeping you from being violent is that fact the people who’ve already had their monsters unleashed, pretending like they’re not monsters.
Not all pretending is clandestine work. Pretending can also be found in theater, and in the concept of work.
It is not a condemnation to say a person is violent and pretending not to be. That’s just what it means to be a civilized adult human.
This is a weird take. Not everyone is violent and pretending not to be. I think that’s a gross misrepresentation of humans and not even the right way to justify this.
This is a very important key point. I’m a 41 year old conservative who grew up in the rural midwest in the 1980s. I was a teenager during the 90s.
When I cut my teeth on philosophical arguments, learned how to talk deep into the night about disagreements of the complex problems facing humanity, it was in the context of hanging out with my tightest friends from high school and college.
We could say pretty much anything, and because we had each other’s backs in the world, it was easy to fit in lots of potentially-ambiguous messages with confidence they’d be received well.
But online we’re interacting with people outside our social groups, from different cultures. As much as I personally hate it, it may be necessary to sanitize our words here moreso than elsewhere in order to avoid misinterpretation.
It’s just a totally different social context. And for people of my age — again I’m 41, born in 1982, graduated HS in 2000 — it’s a hard transition to comprehend because we did our social formation before online discussion with strangers became a norm.
We had online discussions before, but they were more niche and embedded in more stable communities. I remember being part of a forum around 2005 and I knew the people I was talking to. Not from real life, but from our many, many discussions. Instead of hundreds of millions, that forum had like a thousand members.
So I do think it’s healthy for people in real life to be unafraid to use extremely violent, absurd, insulting language, because that helps people bond. But online it may just not be necessary.
It’s less even about knowing the person directly, as it is about having the same microculture. Like back in the 90s I could assume any teen dressed like me would have roughly the same values and mannerisms as me. Now that’s not the case, because the internet has blurred the associations between different elements of culture.
In Tumblr culture, these hyperviolent responses aren’t made at the end of a heated argument, but rather meant tongue-in-cheek.
For example, imagine one person posts “love pineapple on pizza”. Then another person responds “Do not dare to put pineapple on pizza or I’ll skin you!”.
It expresses that the second person has strong opinions about pineapple on pizza, but hopefully everyone involved knows that it’s an empty threat (because everyone is anonymous on Tumblr) and that it’s not meant serious at all.
Perhaps it is banning porn that allows tumblr to let language off the leash.
Tumblr culture is all-around an assault on my senses.
I’m personally more a fan of curses of wicked inconvenience.
Eg, “May you never find the pebble pressing into the sole of your foot, even after you’ve removed your shoe and your sock”
or, “May you always run out of toilet paper when you most need it, every time, no matter where you are”
continues to fantasise about other such curses
Or just… don’t curse people? Attack arguments, not people.
Some people need to be laughed out of the room.
Agreed. But that’s different than cursing them. You can laugh someone out of the room by thoroughly attacking their arguments.
You can laugh someone out of the room by thoroughly attacking their arguments.
Nope, they are two distinct categories of response. Laughing someone out of the room is refusing to engage them with words.
No, that’s what most call “cancelling.”
Laughing someone out of the room is pointing out the absurdity of someone’s arguments. Laughing at someone is just intolerance.
Nah, it’s actually about the hyper that makes violent comments okay. Hyperboles are usually used to make something apparent, in this case what’s being made apparent is the irony.
For example: “Hey, can I go to the party?” “No” hard to interpret if it’s a joke “No fucking way dude, if I see you there I’ll fucking raze your household to the ground for 4 generations” < this is such an exaggeration that is simply can’t be true, which in turn implies that yeah, they can come.
Of course, for it to be effective that must sound completely impossible to the listener, and as always context is important. Of the context of my hyper violent message is that I’m talking to my friends, they will know I’m joking.
Yeah but that requires people to be willing to exercise their brains during communication.
We’ve got a whole generation now who sees sarcasm as universally hostile behavior.
Sure, but he’s had a lot of words to explain its hyperbole and he hasn’t yet.
So purely based on the context presented, he comes off as extreme and doesn’t properly justify it in his later posts. I’m not going to research every single person’s background I come across, so you can bet this guy comes off as unhinged based on these posts.
I’ll skin you alive
There are multiple micro cultures within our culture. You are not aware of all of them.
There are circles in which that’s understood to not be a threat of literal skinning.
purely based on the context presented, he comes off as extreme and doesn’t properly justify it in his later posts. I’m not going to research every single person’s background I come across, so you can bet this guy comes off as unhinged based on these posts.
Only to a person who doesn’t embody an understanding of this multi-cultural aspect of the world.
He doesn’t come off as unhinged to me, for instance.
You’re a fucking idiot.
A compelling argument, however:
Rev’s up the skin flayer 9000
Poo poo pee pee!
I shall, with great effort and deliberation, dislodge thy skin from thy corporeal form!
He’s posting on a platform that’s dependent on advertising and moderated based on the whims and tantrums of a nepo baby. It’s not going to be an “anything goes” situation.
Despite what said nepo baby may claim.
“What’s the big deal? It doesn’t hurt anybody. Fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck” - Eric Cartman
How would you like to go see the school counselor?!
How would you like to suck my balls?
…Mr Garrison?
“Fuck” -Kenny
As found on some archived geocities site
Have to admit this is pretty based.
Epic ownage to swear and very cool
There’s nothing wrong with swearing except uptight social expectations around ‘proper’ language.
Yep but unfortunately what they said was to skin people alive.
I just banned from /politics for saying “All Billionaires Must Die”. Thought Lemmy was supposed to be transgressive. I thought wrong. Probably get banned from here too, now.
the beauty of the system is you can create your own community if you disagree.
lemmy.world is relatively more rightwing compared to other instances. Idk if you’d get banned on lemmy.ml or lemmygrad or hexbear. I’m not sure what the beef/drama defederation status of those is tho.
You can get banned at the drop of a hat on ml and hexbear rofl
Just make a post that says “Tiananmen Square”. Nothing else, no context. Bet you’ll be banned in a heartbeat.
How “Sinophobic” of you! Banned.
Well that’s low effort spam so I wouldn’t be surprised. Like, I wouldn’t be commenting “Blair mountain” under random posts about American politics either
Oh I’m surprised you got banned. I tried to argue with someone like yourself as I think it’s stupid, and then they pushed some argument about how communism/socialism is the right way forward and I was being downvoted.
Thought it was just Lemmy subs being extreme left but maybe not all places are extreme.
That’s not even a false statement.
All people must die, including billionaires. None of us are immortal, therefore we all must die.
However, billionaires should be dragged into the street and bludgeoned to death and any one who has a problem with me saying that such that they need to flex their little online fiefdom, they can die next to them.
dragged into the street and bludgeoned to death
That’s so much work and mess, just poison them
They could even poison themselves or eachother, saving normal people the inconvenience.
I don’t feel poison would send the correct message nor would it satiate the public’s blood lust.
Their billions would be inherited and there are thousands of billionaires so it is important that they understand the consequences of playing dragon.
Satiating the public isn’t the goal. You can’t have an all-in-one motivator.
I like the cut of your jib, homie.
Imagine being such an edgelord that you need the little rush of wishing death on bad people. Reform society, take their assets, stop them from ever hurting people again, whatever. Actually fix the problem like a rational human, don’t solve it by calling for their deaths you fucking caveman.
Imagine being so naive that you think the problem can be fixed by asking nicely and playing by rules created by the wealthy.
We’re close to having trillionaires.
Oog oog!
I’ve recently joined Tumblr, and like this has been the best social media I’ve ever joined, just what I asked to be shown, no annoying recommendations that are the complete opposite of what i like or it’s just plain ragebait
The amount of actually nice posts is really cool
And from what I’ve heard their data collection is decent, not a personal data vacuum like other sites
They banned porn, and for that they have my undying enmity
If I wanted porn I’d go back to Reddit, I like stuff without it
Reddit also pigeonholed their pornographic content.
I see far more poen on Lemmy, especially with how much AI content is posted here.
The day Lemmy has as much quality nsfw as Reddit or even oldschool Tumblr is the day I quit Reddit. Today is not that day :(
I’ve had a lot easier time finding new porn groups here, but you’re right that the content mill over there is faster.
After reddit sold their user content to AI groups and the obvious use of AI for moderation, I’m not interested in reddit.
Shit, my last account was banned for reporting violent content written by others. They said I was abusing the report system lmao.
Literally submitted 5 reports over the lifespan of the account (maybe a year or two old account, not that old). 3 were acted on, and the 4th one was on r/worldnews. The mods of the sub banned me from the sub, then reported it to the admins and had me banned from reddit.
That site sucks ass, I’m hoping to find a better maintained forum, but it’s a pain in the ass nowadays.
Either pure corporate bullshit or some tyranny of lunacy.
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I think that says more about you than about them
I’d say the fact that they banned porn says about as much about tumblr as having the above poster’s enmity says about them, so I’d go with an even 50/50 on this one.
Do you think tumblr banned porn out of prudishness?
they banned porn because they were bought out by the owners of wordpress, and the kerfuffle with credit card companies suddenly refusing payments on pornhub had just happened. the stated reason was so they don’t step in some unseen controversy and get blackballed by mastercard, which is a bit prudish if you ask me.
The main problem with porn is moderating it. Especially having to watch something to determine whether or not it’s csam. It’s easier to just ban porn. It’s a big hassle whenever your site isn’t supposed to be a porn site.
and therein lies the crux of the issue. lots of folks who were around before the porn ban would argue that the smut was integral to tumblr’s identity; that the tumblr we have today is just a shadow of what it once was.
… what?
Yeah… Um… I got Bluesky for that. Tumblr doesn’t allow for adult content. Plenty of artwork I make falls under adult content and is occasionally straight up porn. Many artists I follow also create a mix of SFW and NSFW content. Being on a place like Tumblr essentially means losing nearly half the art i can post or follow. So… No thank you.
It’s because safe tweets gets promoted more and people care about chasing clout.
It’s so pathetic
I mean this but more importantly, any posts on most social media that are too combative get removed by moderator
Is he responding to himself? Such a weird screen cap imo
That’s pretty common on X. There’s a low character limit, so for long posts, it’s just a string of replies from the same person.
Well I know about writing a thread and the UI for that is horrible too, but doesn’t it look different than this? Also his profile looks completely different between the two posts.
have to admit, fuck you cunt, i’ll skin you alive
Have to admit, Its oddly refreshing to read.
yeah well, someone will probably report me and i’ll get banned by a mod that didn’t read the context
