When is the admin going to run out of excuses?

  • coyootje@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    The American reaction in the second frame should’ve been: cool, here’s more weapons.

  • Ilovethebomb@lemm.eeEnglish
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    3 months ago

    They did what?

    Also, the auto fill results when you type in “Israel bombs” are interesting.

  • ristoril_zip@lemmy.zipEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Is this a permission versus forgiveness example?

    Of course, now that Ukraine asked for permission and NATO (not just the US) said “no,” if they deliberately attack that’s extremely bad.

    • ✺roguetrick✺@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Russia supports Iran while the US supports the paragons of Israel and Saudi Arabia. Kind of like the US was leaning Pakistan while Russia leans India. Now China finds more value with Pakistan than we do though (which will eventually make us do something stupid to “support our interests”).

      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Yeah, I still don’t understand the Pakistan thing. Pakistan:

        • harbored Osama bin Laden
        • has pretty uninteresting economic output
        • has serious beef with their much larger neighbor India, and are somewhat friendly with Iran and China

        Whereas India:

        • has a ton of people
        • already has pretty extensive economic ties to the US, which could be strengthened, and is a ripe alternative to China for production
        • has tensions w/ China, so we have mutual enemies
        • is highly unlikely to harbor any of our enemies

        Yet we keep them at arm’s length.

        I could say the same for Israel and Saudi Arabia. Why are we so intent on picking the worst possible countries in a given region? The only explanation is that we want war…

          • ✺roguetrick✺@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            3 months ago

            More like India remembers our position in the cold war and doesn’t have any desire to be beholden to us. Doesn’t matter if it’s the Hindutva or INC, neither are friendly to US hegemony. I’d hold the same position if I was them of course. I mean we still embargo Cuba for fucks sake.

            • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              3 months ago

              This the same India that’s been spending the past 20 years cozying up to us? And vice-versa, of course, we’ve been very interested in India as well.

              Pakistan is the major stumbling block remaining, not the policy of half a century ago.

        • Saleh@feddit.orgEnglish
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          3 months ago

          India is a contender for becoming a major power in a multipolar world, where the US is not the hegemon anymore.

          So it makes perfect sense to help Pakistan and stir the conflict so, India is slowed in its advances to become a major power.

          • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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            3 months ago

            I guess. But on the other hand, a closer union between the US and India should give the US a chunk of that growth, as well as allow the US to shape how India develops.

        • ✺roguetrick✺@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 months ago

          I think they’ve gone beyond somewhat friendly with China. They’ve got PLA troops in Pakistan now doing anti terrorism work.

          • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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            3 months ago

            Pakistan doesn’t export any oil, and while they have discovered oil reserves, western companies aren’t interested due to security concerns. So it’s not oil.

            I just don’t see it.

            • ElegantBiscuit@lemm.eeEnglish
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              3 months ago

              50 years ago during the Cold War the economic trajectory of the two wasn’t so different, and pakistan also included what would become Bangladesh. Nixon was opening relations with China after the sino Soviet split, and India probably wouldn’t agree to ally with someone who was in the process of economically integrating with a country that they were actively fighting a border war with (sino Indian border war 1962-present). Pre Iranian revolution Iran was also a major ally and shares a significant land border with Pakistan, and probably most importantly, Pakistan was an ideal country to serve as a funnel for military assistance to the mujahideen to help fight the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, which would arguably lead to the economic drain and political quagmire that was a primary factor in its collapse.

              Of course the mujahideen would then evolve to become Al Qaeda which Pakistan would harbor, Iran would have its revolution, Bangladesh would gain independence, and the Pakistani military dictatorship would squander the potential of their country on a nuclear program and trying to maintain an army of equal strength to a country 10x their population. But the choice had a lot more geopolitical merit way back then, and once it had been made it is not so easy as forgive and forget or to counter the logistical inertia just because the circumstances change.

              • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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                3 months ago

                the choice had a lot more geopolitical merit way back then

                Yeah, it’s not easy to change direction, but I think it’s long past time to do so. I don’t see much point in a US/Pakistan alliance these days…

    • Match!!@pawb.socialEnglish
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      3 months ago

      netanyahu needs Israel to have more enemies so that he can maintain a stranglehold on power indefinitely. basic fascism

  • istdaslol@feddit.orgEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Ah yes Ukraine and Israel are both American proxy wars and not totally different conflicts with different politics run by independent countries

      • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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        3 months ago

        I mean, the difference being that the US has a say in how one in conducted, and a very justified interest in it’s outcome, while the other is in the Middle East.

        Why they are running a proxy war that’s out of control and doesn’t help anything is a good question, and one that can only have stupid answers.

        • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Can confirm, am American and am tired of our foreign policy decisions in both Ukraine and Israel. We should honestly just drop our Israeli alliance at this point, it’s a liability.

      • leftytighty@slrpnk.netEnglish
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        3 months ago

        it’s not a proxy war they’re just using American money and weapons and some American citizen soldiers

          • leftytighty@slrpnk.netEnglish
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            3 months ago

            You have to say “I declare proxy war” if you’re a white country, but if you’re a brown country you’re presumed to be a valid target for any conflict that has brown people in it. For example see the US invasion of Iraq.

            It’s liberal geopolitics 101

        • Sundial@lemm.eeEnglish
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          3 months ago

          And America is using that to exert their influence on that region in the world. Sure sounds like a proxy. Just because Israel has more power in American politics compared to Ukraine doesn’t mean they aren’t a proxy.

    • TexMexBazooka@lemm.eeEnglish
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      3 months ago

      I mean…. They’re two totally different conflicts with different politics run by independent countries…. That are also proxy wars being funded by the US and China.

      • psud@aussie.zoneEnglish
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        3 months ago

        I wonder how Russia feels as the proxy in the fight rather than the supplier of a proxy in the fight

        • TexMexBazooka@lemm.eeEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Right? Probably a new position for them.

          They’re being supplied and bank rolled by China now

  • Spacehooks@reddthat.comEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Everyone! Dont you see! Isreal is trying to divert Russian troops from Ukraine. This is a win!!!

    /s

        • aubertlone@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 months ago

          Thanks for responding.

          I was mostly just sarcastically joking.

          Assuming most of us had made the switch at some point. Etc etc etc

          In other news I hope you’re having a nice day!

    • nuke@sh.itjust.worksMEnglish
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      3 months ago

      How is this making fun of the IDF? Seems to me the topic is the Biden administration’s arbitrary restrictions on Ukraine.

      • _stranger_@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        The trick to a good proxy war is that everyone involved has to participate via proxy. Russia broke the rules and now we all have to walk on eggshells.

      • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        3 months ago

        to be clear, ukraine went ahead and did this anyway. And then the US lifted restrictions on this kind of stuff (idk if it was completely, but they did do it)

        It’s not really arbitrary, it’s just geopolitics being geopolitics, ukraine and the rest of europe showed that russia would bluff, and we’re supporting them more now.

        I guess it should make sense coming from a partially republican legislature that doesn’t even believe in the ukraine war to begin with.

        • Valmond@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 months ago

          It’s about atacms strikes deep (+100km) inside russia, what according to you did they do “anyways”?

          • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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            3 months ago

            they have sent other munitions from other sources fairly deep into russia, i believe the submarine dock attack was with a storm shadow missile, and at least one drone attack, the obvious one being the kremlin bombing, as well other other sourced materials they can find. They’ve been doing it whenever accessible and possible. Oh and obviously the recent offensive into russia itself.

            The obvious example is the ATACMs missile, but i believe that was post restriction.

            to be clear here, i’m not saying they broke the US restrictions, i’m saying they broke the “taboo” on firing into russian territory.

              • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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                3 months ago

                sevastopol is in crimea right? Is crimea recognized broadly by the global nations to be ukrainian territory? Crimea is annexed by russia, there was a whole thing around this when it happened. I know ukraine contests this and wishes to get it back, but currently for most intents, and most purposes, crimea is a part of russia.

            • Valmond@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              3 months ago

              Ya I’m with you there, they have broken so many taboos (or as the russians call it, red lines), tanks, western help, javelins, hitting oil depos, substations (but that was retaliation I guess), …

              What about a kremlin attack? I only know about a staged one with a drone from IDR like 2022?