The footage of this meeting is truly remarkable and worth watching.
I think it’s important to watch uncut unedited footage of meetings like this from time to time, to see the behaviour of leaders first hand. Otherwise it is too easy to just get swept up in the narrative of whatever social bubble you interact with.
In this meeting Trump demonstrates a total disinterest in any past events or context for current decisions; but he becomes quite animated and angry at the end of the video. Apparently he felt criticised and wanted to hit back. But he didn’t seem to be paying much attention at all to what was being said.
Zelenskyy is calm throughout, but has clear frustration as Vance and Trump speak over the top of him. Trump accuses Zelenskyy of total disrespect, and says he is ‘gambling with World War III’.
Really, it is worth watching. See how leaders of the USA behave.
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The “you don’t didn’t say thank you part” was so cringe.
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It’s worse. They keep track of this blood sugar by guessing when he last ate. You want to talk when his sugars are high. When they’re low you get this embarrassment.
Apparently, this is not a new thing.
I would love to play poker with him for other reasons that I’d rather not put into text and post online at this point.
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Especially since he’s thanked the US a million fucking times?
Where can you watch the unedited video?
Edit: Seems like this is it. https://youtu.be/ayBRXIN9Kro
Double edit: It’s obvious that Couch Fucker Vance was told to tank this. He went as combative as possible.
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Vance needs a fucking good slap, how Zelenskyy didn’t get up and lay one on him is remarkable
Musk, Vance, and Trump were in the same room??? How did we fuck this up?
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Of course, you explained it all…🙄
Thank for the distraction. It was almost a constructive conversation for a minute. Glad you dragged it back into finger pointing.
Trump wants his life to be reality TV, and he is acting like it.
Is this really that weird? I feel like I have been to work meetings with more intensity. Also my read on it was that Zelensky was super annoying. The way he interrupted Trump and Vance all the time even though they are in charge of the situation and location. I know Trump does it too, but dude that’s not how you handle this situation. You’d think that Zelensky would know that. Any middle manager in corporate America would handle it with more grace. Sheesh
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He could have waited until they finish talking and say exactly what he was going to say. It came out unprofessional. Not that Trump is professional, but Trump is a Trump and in the end Zelensky was there to ask for support. Instead he tried to demand it. Dumb.
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I fully agree. But to add to it:
Vance had no rights to be there, the only reason he was is so they both could gang up on Zelensky in front of the cameras and bully him, Trump probably felt he was unable to do it alone.
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Literally nothing changed for him. At the price of being slightly uncomfortable he could have saved his country. Now he condemned countless lives to the death. Because he couldn’t what? Sit quiet for a minute? Hold his tongue? I bet any> of those people dying right now on the front line would beg him to do it
I’m sorry. A lie should be called out immediately, not allowed to be inserted into the discussion by the awful shithead delivering said lie. What you’re asking Zelinsky to do here is fight with both hands tied behind his back, for ‘decorum’. That’s bullshit and you know it. Zelensky called Trump and Vance out on their bullshit. I don’t think he gives two shits about some rando on the internet and their belief on what the ‘proper’ way to deal with Trump’s bullshit is. IMO, he did what he had to do, And now he needs to pivot away from the USA for support because we did the awful thing and elected the Shitgibbon TWICE.
Oh my God. Zelensky was there to negotiate the deal that he himself has proposed. He was just sucking so hard at his job as a politician that he couldn’t ducking do it properly. Being righteous and all means absolutely nothing at that level.
If he just kept it under control, the press would barely mention the conference, he would have proceeded to get security guarantees behind the closed doors and people would have stopped dying.
Right. If you believe this, I really can’t help you. It’s like you watched a different video than I did. Trump and Vance lied like fucking rugs in this, and baited the fuck out of Zelensky. But gotta keep that decorum to satisfy some rando on the internet. I’d love to say what I find you to be, but the mods would come down on me like they should be coming down on you for your other comments. But looking at your downvotes compared to downvotes to what you’re replying to? I think that stands on its own. ;)
I didn’t know what comments you are reading, but so far I’m the one being personally attacked. I don’t care about downvotes or about being banned. As Rick said, your boos mean nothing, I have seen what makes you cheer. Just because everybody refuses to see the truth, it doesn’t mean that it’s not truth. And the truth is that Zelensky is incompetent at his job and that’s the only reason this negotiation has failed. By the way, he was the one who asked for this meeting through macron. He never should have come and would be in better position. He understands it himself which is why he posted his pathetic xitter comment trying to restart the convo with Trump and will probably succeed at that.
You don’t bow down to dictatorial filth unless you’re a republican piece of trash.
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Nice personal attack.
You should read the rest of this thread.
This isn’t middle management. This was trump and vance acting like children towards our allies. This was trump and vance and maga showing they’re putins cock sleeve. It’s crazy how much you trump supporters will lick the taint and swallow the balls just to try and make trump look competent.
Trump and Vance are russian assets and should be tried for treason.
And? Was it such a high price to pay for his country salvation? It’s not a book about good and evil. There are real lives at stake. Zelensky’s honor is not notre important than any soldier’s life.
So you think it’s ok for a country to be invaded, and attacked…and it should just roll over and enslave itself?
Invasion has already happened. As a country leader he has an obligation to minimize negative impact. Even at the cost of “kissing the ring.”
Kissing the ring is not what was going on here. Trump is trying to force a deal that doesn’t do shit for Ukraine but strip them of future income to rebuild.
The invasion is still happening, and it will continue to happen no matter what trump does, because trump is putins lapdog.
Bending the knee to putin is maximizing the negative impact.
You’re either a russian troll or an idiot. The freeworld is on Zelenskys, and trump just showed the world that the USA is no longer on the side of democracy or freedom.
Trump is trying to force a deal that doesn’t do shit for Ukraine but strip them of future income to rebuild
Nope. Zelensky was the first one suggesting the deal in October last year. See here point number 4 https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/plan-peremogi-skladayetsya-z-pyati-punktiv-i-troh-tayemnih-d-93857
The second part of his visit was to discuss guarantees behind the closed doors. Which is why he was trying to steer the discussion towards that topic. He just did it so hamfistedly that Vance and Trump took it as a personal attack. Any half assed politician especially on international arena could have avoided that. It’s all it was: failed negotiation. The fact that people see some kind of inspiration behind this failure is just pathetic misread of the situation
You want Zelenskyy to sell out his country to putins lapdog and kiss the ring. Shameful
Wtf are you talking about? Zelensky was the first one to offer to sell his mineral rights in October. Trump just took him up on the offer. Behind the closed doors they had full opportunity to discuss guarantees. Instead we have this bs.
Sell yes, meaning Ukraine gets something in return…
But Trump goes “ok give us the minerals, bye”.
What kind of deal is that, Ukraine gets nothing, that’s not even a proper business transaction…
Thats plain saying give me your money or the guy with the gun takes it from you.
In a real deal the least Zelensky/Ukraine expects to get in return is full and lasting protection against Putin walzing in and taking Ukraine anyway.
In his WW3 rant Trump also seems to forget Zelensky/Ukraine is already at war (though putin is the one calling it a 3 day police action), and the only one gambling for WW3 is Trump by whining about demanding minerals for nothing in return.
Ofcourse it’s full on clear by now Trump expects Putin to walz in anyway, destroy Ukraine and pay Trump personally a 1% finders fee for the minerals.
The discussion of the security guarantees was to happen behind closed doors after the initial press conference. In fact that’s why Zelensky was trying to steer the conversation in that direction to prime the next stage. It’s just that he failed so completely in this steering that it should be in textbooks. Simply having an interpreter would be enough to iron out the edges.
He could have walked away with a deal today. Maybe even with NATO invite in 20 years or something like that. Instead because of his political ineptitudes he risks to lose it all.
This shit is so disingenuous.
No, offering to plunder half of their resources until the end of time is not only an insulting offer, IT’S NOT THE SAME THING THE BIDEN ADMIN TALKED ABOUT LAST YEAR
So they should give up 50% of their minerals until the end of time?
Go fuck yourself.
They offered it
Ukraine offered to give the US half of their minerals? You sure about that?
I’m not sure what ‘more grace’ you think Zelenskyy could have shown in a situation like that. Trump and Vance are telling him that he’s “gambling with World War III”, and telling him that he needs to say “thank you” - but without letting him finish a sentence. Trump was saying some really harsh stuff, but not allowing Zeleskyy to respond to it. This is the only time Zelenskyy tried to talk over the top of him; and you think it is “super annoying”.
In the earlier parts of the meeting, Trump was not engaged at all. Trump commented that “I wasn’t there then” while Zelenskyy gave context of how Russia has abused trust given to them in diplomacy; apparently Trump thinks nothing matters unless he is personally involved. This is the attitude Trump brought to the meeting, but you think Zelenskyy was “super annoying” and should have handled this senseless berating with more grace. I disagree with you.
Yeah, nah my take was Zelenskyy was frustrated to be there, coddling up to putins peppers while his people are being killed. He went from having a trusted reliable partner to someone who’s parroting Kremlin talking points, and implying that it was Ukraines fault in the matter of months. He’s not a middle manager, they are both their respective countries leaders.
Well he sucks as a leader. Instead of negotiating ,he throws hissy feet. What a small thing to say thanks guys what a wonderful administration and then have a real discussion behind closed doors. Instead he just put his country in terrible position. This was so ducking predictable. He could have salvaged it so many times but he chose to be stubborn and now his people will pay for it. That’s right: it was in essence his political career vs lives of people. He chose his career. I know those are Ukrainian lives so you don’t care about them, but to me that was the height of idiocy. I hope Zelensky is remembered as a murderer. He had a choice to negotiate surrender in 2022 and he had a choice today. He just did what was convenient for him instead.
I don’t care about Ukrainian lives? Fuck right off bud, nah this is so pure trumps fault. You’re mad that Zelenskyy didn’t pucker up to trumps putrid orange asshole
Him not puckering out is bad for Ukraine. His alliance with us was tenuous at best after Trump got in office, but now he’s risking to lose it completely just because he’s a bad negotiator. There were so many opportunities to do this better even without saying to much. He’s just a bad politician. Lacking experience. His mistake was to speak in English too. Totally avoidable.
You’re just a bad ruzzian. No one is buying your bullshit.
I’m American my friend. The truth is hard to accept. I understand.
So bad, that’s why Europe and Canada are reacting in a positive way due to the outcome of trumps little temper tantrum. Uhuh.
reacting in a positive way
This means nothing
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What? Is truth hard to hear, you baby killing Nazi?
The p in gop stands for protection. Stop projecting
I’m actually registered Democrat and left leaning at that. Doesn’t mean I can’t point out bs when I see it even if it goes against the grain of the party.
You haven’t spoken the truth since you were shit out of your worthless mother.
So edgy
Yes it’s weird. Who fucking cares about middle management in corporate America? The fuck?
The point is that Zelensky should be better than middle manager at conflict resolution. Instead he’s is at preschool level.
The point is that Trump should be better than middle manager at conflict resolution. Instead he’s at preschool level.
I work with some Ukrainian and Israeli contractors. They are much more direct than the typical American, and there was some cultural calibration that had to happen on both sides of the relationship.
Of course any competent international businessman or seasoned politician would already know this and navigate those cultural differences as a matter of course.
Agreed. So I don’t understand why he was so bad at this. Maybe because he had very positive experiences all those previous years? But it was because in the past his peers were aligned with him. This is the first time in his career when it’s no longer the case and he totally blew it.
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Why would/should anyone in the international community trust the US after this?
US diplomacy can turn on a dime depending on who is elected now. The US cannot be trusted beyond the term length of the current president or even current congress.
The rest of the international community is going to unite and isolate the US. Its not ever going to be good again
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This is the end of a once great america, no matter Trump’s promise…
All trust is gone for years, perhaps decades to come.
The petrol dollar that gave the US it’s hegemony by stepping away from gold reserves into the dollar as backing financial system will be dismantled.
It already was on shaky grounds with the US printing infinite money without guarantees to pay off a huge debt beyond the petro dollar’s shield, but now all trust in the US is gone and the shift to another monetary system will start.
BRICS will take off and Trump can not stop it (not even counting him being under russian influence to let it happen). Europe will pay oil in euros for a while.
In a decade we might see rise of a global traders currency based on a true, set value.
Forever is a long time, but there needs to be consequences for Trump’s behaviour. It would be unwise to rely on the USA after this. Establish trade relationships with other countries, and don’t outsource your defence to the USA.
It’s absolutely fucking insane and entirely mortifying to rational citizens.
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God, never been more ashamed to be an American than now.
But then I remember there’s always tomorrow.
Maybe tomorrow will bring the end of the states.
One can hope.
Fuck this headline and all reporting that shelters trump from responsibility for his constant failures. It didn’t turn to chaos, trump and vance shit all over it because they’re weak, stupid cowards pretending to be what they think an alpha is.
Yeah, this title is terrible and I don’t know why this post of many on the topic is being upvoted. It’s completely misses the real story and instead frames it like Trump is some sort of defender of peace.
zelensky knocked trumps dick in the dirt to his face inside the oval office, i thought it was awesome, so few times to world leaders get a chance to say precisely what they mean to another stronger country who is hurting them. our boy did just that. never seen anything like it before.
Can someone please tell me this isn’t real life?
We could, but we’d be lying
I’ll take it
No puppet you’re the puppet
Trump is an absolute cunt.
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Unfair to cunts.
General Bone Spurs and Pvt Pyle gang up on an actual hero. Just when you wake up and think how things can get any worse, something like this comes along.
The world is watching, and I hate to say it, but I’d love it if they banded together and called us out, or cut us off. With as thin skinned as this administration is, they’d lose it. They like to puff out their chest and talk a big game, but I bet when it came to back things up, they’d fold so easily. Sad part is, they’d probably just redirect the blame.
We can’t just depend on everyone else though. Something has to happen here. Some sense has to be beaten into us somehow.
You got this Ukraine thing Europe, I have confidence in you. Circle back to us in 30 years or so to see if we’ve become better people.
Edit: It looks like that’s exactly what is happening.
Trump has no shame - it’s the root of his actions. It’s impossible to imagine any person acting as he does (seriously proposing to take over Gaza as a permanent solution to war, bullying Zelensky and demanding minerals from a nation under siege), and not being embarrassed.
Nothing reasonable will stop him.
In other words, Trump is gambling with WW3 as well.
Trump’s rhetoric is a masterclass in deflection—blame others while securing mineral deals.
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WW3 is absolutely coming, make no mistake about it. The only thing that’s unclear at this point is the timing, and who will be on which side exactly when it happens. If you’re between 16 and 26 and live in Europe, this would be the time to get out. Conscription is unavoidable at this point.
The idea that Russia would escalate if it loses in Ukraine is absolutely ridiculous. Russia in 2014 was doing great. If Ukraine wins, Russia goes back to a prosperous nation like it was in 2014.
Not sure if it’s what OP meant, but I think Russia winning is what sets the immutable path to world war.
This is a test of the global west. If it faulters, Russia takes another stab at Europe within 5 years. China at Taiwan. Probably coordinated on timing to further test the resolve of the west.
As long as Russia has bodies to throw at a conflict, it has no reason to stop. Russia fully switched to a wartime economy, not something you do if you’re not in it for the long haul. If the elections had turned out differently, things might have been differently as well. Alas…
I definitely hope I’m wrong about this. I claim no special insight or understanding other than simple pattern recognition and some decent knowledge of history.
Yes Russia has no reason to stop but also loses nothing if they don’t take Ukraine. That’s why the idea that they will start WW3 is ridiculous. Putin will not risk his life over some mineral rights when Russia already has a surplus of minerals.
Yes indeed, there was no reason for Russia to invade Ukraine … yet Putin did it, three times now, and keeps demanding Ukraine gives up nukes, weaponry, and lately any form of standing army…
And everyone is convinced he’ll be back to destroy Ukraine within 5 years if hes not tapped on the nose firmly now.
And when he has Ukraine he’ll feel free to start kicking Europe in the soft spots.
WW3 will only happen if China’s leadership decides that, before they all die of old age, they want to retake Taiwan. I’m not sure what cascade of alliances and boycotts will occur, but cutting off global manufacturing and computer chip production will definitely cause something to happen.
World War
get out
To where? The moon?
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