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  • Investigation underway: A UPS cargo plane crashed shortly after taking off from the Louisville, Kentucky, airport Tuesday, leaving a fiery trail of destruction and a half- mile-long debris field. At least 12 people have died and others are injured, officials say, warning the death toll could climb as the investigation continues.

  • Black boxes recovered: An NTSB investigation team is on site at the crash location and has recovered the aircraft’s “black boxes” - the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/ups-plane-crash-louisville-airport?ch=1

  • PissingIntoTheWind@lemmy.world
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    11 hours ago

    Tail was down. That’s probably a package issue. Wonder if it was partially filled. And the container they slide in slipped back. That’s insane to see. Wtf is happening.

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      7 hours ago

      An engine exploded when they were taking off, still on the runway but too late to abort.

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    1 day ago

    The really impressive thing to me about this video, other than the obvious fireball, is how quickly that flag changes directions and how violently it flaps, showing just how much air the fireball is pulling in.

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      9 hours ago

      For those trying to find it (like me) the flag is in the edge of the parking lot and looks like one of those tall vertical ones.

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      It was actually unrelated. He just got a call that unlimited popcorn shrimp was back at Red Lobster for a limited time.

      Edit: People downvoting me must have tried to go to Red Lobster, only to realize it’s not back in their area. And now they’re mad at me for getting them hungry.

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        Jeez, you guys need to learn timing. That kind of humor isn’t ok this soon after a tragedy. Just like UPS delaying my delivery of ball gags isnt ok.

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          4 hours ago

          As a neurodivergent let me tell you that’s a very subjective subject. I love his post.

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          1 day ago

          I’d tell you to just be quiet, but you never got your ball gags…

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      2 days ago

      That’s not very typical, I’d like to make that point.

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        18 hours ago

        It’s not the first time an engine has fallen off of a DC-10/MD-11.

        1979 Chicago O’Hare American Airlines AA191

        That particular instance was due to maintenance not following the correct procedure for mounting the engine. It caused cracks in the support pylon and it was just a matter of time. The crazy thing is the pilots did exactly what they should have done. The problem is the warning system for slat disagreement was only powered by the electrical bus supplied by the engine that just departed the aircraft. So the pilots had no idea that the slats on that side of the aircraft retracted due to damage to the hydraulic lines. So that wing complete stalled and 271 people died.

        The difference with this crash is the plane was wings level until the tail hit the ground. Also in that video if you look closely the slats are out on the port wing.

      • nocturne@slrpnk.net
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        2 days ago

        Yeah, none of the flights i have flown on had an engine fall off. But I have never flown on a UPS cargo plane, they may do things differently.

        • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca
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          That model was dropped by passenger Airlines because of excessive maintenance issues. This flight was to Honolulu, had 34 000 gallons of fuel and it tore a strip one mile long from the runway.

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      Please only use aeronautical sources for aeronautical stuff: https://avherald.com/h?article=52f5748f&opt=0

      Mainstream media doesn’t know shit about airplanes, ATC or meteorology and they often over simplify the facts sometimes making them wrong (like calling every ATC unit a “tower”).

      But yeah apparently engine 1 (left) went away during the takeoff roll, for unknown reasons. Engine 2 (middle one on the tail) seemed to have stalled, probably because of the high pitch up attitude disrupting the airflow to the engine.

      If all is true then yeah, a MTOW (maximum takeoff weight) MD11 wouldn’t fly with only one engine, and it didn’t.

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        Another likely reason for the engine 2 compressor stall is due to debris from the left wing being ingested. Either way though, as you pointed out, it wasn’t going to fly on one remaining engine with that takeoff weight.

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        Are planes not designed with a backup(the second engine, knowing the plane can fly with just one, although evidently not take off), and a backup for the backup(a second set of engines) to prevent exactly this?

        I know nothing of aircraft but im guessing because it was a cargo plane and not a passenger plane they only had one layer of redundancy instead of two?

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          Just to be specific as you received tons of answers already.

          Yes a modern bi-jet aircraft can takeoff with only one engine (think A320, B7** etc). Provided that there isn’t any other huge issue affecting the performance or the airframe (like a wing on fire).

          This MD11 was a tri-jet from another era and it seems that it lost 2 engines out of 3.

          And no there are no backup engines, that would be dead weight and engines are very heavy.

          That backup is the other engine, their reliability and the fact that an aircraft can still fly without engines (if at altitude of course) and glide to an airport for an emergency landing.

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          22 hours ago

          A follow up to my earlier response because I want to help foster your curiosity and knowledge.

          This video is a good example of how the tech of trijets was very successful in its day, but ultimately lost out to the twin-engine jets we see today. Enjoy!

          https://youtu.be/wfEO4bchyGE

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          Not anymore. This was an old tri-jet. Once engines became reliable enough to increase ETOPS ratings (the time a plane can fly with an engine out) from 60 to now 240 minutes, and you could fly a 2-engine jet across the ocean on the same route as a four- or three-engine jet, it didn’t make sense to keep buying those with higher engine counts and the accompanying fuel usage required.

          In turn, those older planes like the 747, DC-10, and MD-11, are generally turned into cargo aircraft for the remainder of their service life. They still have all the same airworthiness requirements needed to fly in US and other countries’ airspace.

          This jet should have been able to take off with two of its three engines just fine, but I heard a rumor that the middle engine suffered a compressor stall and wasn’t running at full power. From the video it looks like the nose is up but the plane is descending due to lack of power. Even if the engine stall isn’t true, if the engine comes off the wing, as what seems to be the case here, it can critically damage the wing itself and stall it. See American Airlines 191 disaster in Chicago, for example.

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      That reminds me of that Israeli el-al Boeing that went down over Amsterdam some 30 years ago.

      Lost one engine because of shit maintenance, that engine hit and ripped off a second engine and part of its wing and it still kept flying for a bit

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      There’s video from a news helicopter, and still images from other sources, showing a damaged engine lying next to the runway where the plane was taking off from.

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        Good eye. If you freeze frame at around 0:01 we can see that the wing nearest to the camera has an engine under it like normal, but the farther back wing is just a flat surface underneath

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    I didn’t get these companies that do shit maintenance. Is it really worth the loss of lives and a full on plane to not do the bare minimum?

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      CEOs of giant corporations are sometimes actually sociopaths, so they don’t care if they kill people. And they get financially rewarded only for short term profit, the company’s long term future doesn’t effect them at all, so they don’t care if reducing maintenance causes problems for the company 10 years later

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        I’m as anti CEO/billionaire as you, but people are also inherently lazy and selfish AF, and so negligence is possible at every level of this thing, except maybe the folks on board the plane. There’s no point in levying out blame until there’s actual information about what happened, rather than speculation.

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          Unfortunately, I am expecting the Trump Regime to falsify any investigation into this, if only to protect someone from the blame. Plus, DOGE probably cut down the size of agencies.

          Hopefully I am wrong, but this year hasn’t been a great one.

    • shalafi@lemmy.world
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      How about waiting until the NTSB’s full report next year before making accusations? One thing I can say for sure, multiple things went wrong.