• ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca
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    9 months ago

    The centrists has their basic needs met and isn’t part of a social group that is threatened so they see both as a waste of tax spending.

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      Implied by this: centrists see all this mainly as a financial matter.

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        Centrists are unwilling to accept change or inconvenience. This differs from conservatives who think things should go back to some sort of old way.

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          It’s really impossible to know what you mean here, because conservative should mean to keep doing what works: They should be social democrats (what worked to build the US e.g. Nixon lol). So we shouldn’t use that word any more. True conservatism would be more left wing than democrats today.

          The GOP has become a reactionary or “paleo-conservative” which is really a misnomer too. What they really are now is a theocratic fascist party. But really they have no values at all except power and hate and inequality.

          There are no real centrists, there is no center here. They are really corporatists who are willing to play politics in order to please the big capitalists or plutocracy. They love trump because they can keep cutting of left wing politics and not have a platform. In foreign policy they are fascist as well (american exceptionalism, a belief in inequality based on identity).

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            The gop are not the reactionary part, the DNC is. They are also centrists between the gop and a ghost of policies to the left.

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          We gotta stop callin them conservatives. These shits are trying to roll things back, not keep it as-is. They’re the opposite of progressive: they’re regressive.

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          That would be reactioners, not conservatives. You guys also have problem of reactioners taking name of conservatives.

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            9 months ago

            American Centrist are reactionaries, American conservatives are not reactionaries. That is my point.

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      You’re right, of course, but a key trait of sociopaths is viewing people through the lens of what they can do for them.

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          I’m saying anyone who views other people this way has sociopathic tendencies. They just mentioned centrists.

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      Balance is required to see things clearly. Just because both sides suck equally in their own ‘special’ way doesn’t change the fact they are their own worst enemy.

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      I wanted to say how I have my basic needs met, isn’t part of social group that is threatened and don’t see left as waste of tax spending, but then I remembered about good Uncle Voencom that happily sends to die for Putin’s yacth, so I don’t count as not part of social group that is threatened.

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    Maybe I’m the centrist in this scenario, but isn’t that just normal left? I’d expect far left to be like “we are going to exterminate all the rich then give their stuff to everyone else”

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      In the US at least, the entire country is so far right that the position above is actually far left in our political sphere.

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        Haha yeah US is so backwards. And I’m surprised the world hasn’t built a massive wall around us because we literally use God as part of our laws, how many weapons we have stockpiled, how many citizens die from unnecessary violence, how little we care about the homeless.

        And any sort of empathy about any of those problems, even pointing it out, isnt even a discussion point in politics because itll go nowhere fast.

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      The ‘far left’ described in that tweet is the ‘center right’ in Norway. USA politics feels weird and alien to Europeans.

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        I mean it feels weird and alien to us too.

        All of it makes a lot more sense when viewed through the lens of who has money and who wants that money.

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        Aha! I’m not alone! In Russia center-right too.

        Norway is not ex-republic, so I guess it is same in entire Europe then.

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      Depends on what you mean by “far.” If you mean believing in a radical restructuring of society along Communist lines, this can be done peacefully. Pacifism is an extremist position as well. Conflating “radicalism” with “violence” is just centrism at work.

      On the same hand, there are extremely violent centrists. Kissinger murdered millions of people as a liberal, for example, which is a center-right ideology. Centrism isn’t about non-violence.

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        Centrism is fear of change in the now vs conservatives which is a reaction against change before.

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      we are going to exterminate all the rich

      Only edgy teens on social media genuinely think this is a logical political goal you should advocate for in the first world on this day and age

      then give their stuff to everyone else

      If you change this to: “concentration of private property in few hands is a poisonous hydra that will forever feed inequality”, then yes, that’s a milquetoast far left take, which often comes from the desire of actually “getting everyone’s needs met” and the idea that capitalism naturally organizes the economy in a way that disincentives letting a portion of the working class being comfortably capable of getting all their needs met.

      And honestly, given the positions of most politicians on actually doing something to make housing affordable, I honestly think “getting everyone’s needs met” is becoming a far left position.

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        we are going to exterminate all the rich

        Only edgy teens on social media genuinely think this is a logical political goal you should advocate for in the first world on this day and age

        Nah, I’m not a teen. Chippity choppity! LFG!

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      Centrists think “We all want the same thing, why are you so biased against the fox’s ideas about how to build the henhouse?” They don’t believe the far right wants to exterminate, so the far left is evil for being willing to fight them.

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      “we are going to exterminate all the rich then give their stuff to everyone else”

      This is so last century. we are going to exterminate all the rich by giving their stuff to everyone else.

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      I also believe I am center… To me it’s more like

      Right: let’s go exterminate races. Left: ACAB, all cops are pieces of shit and deserve life sentences.

      I mean, they aren’t totally equal, but there are better examples.