I’m a bit lost. Wasn’t the killer a far right dude who disliked Kirk and MAGA for not being far right enough/in the same ways as him?
Can someone get me up to date?
I was also under the same impression, but it seems to have grown less clear?
https://voxpoliticalonline.com/2025/09/15/tyler-robinsons-groyper-connection-truth-or-conspiracy-theory/In any case, Kirk enjoyers have never been known to let facts get in the way of their hate
Hearing that old dude read the messages was pretty fucking telling that they are making that shit up. No kid, especially a terminally 4chan one, talks like that. Maybe the stuff about the wrapping of the weapon and where he left it, but no kid is talking like a WWII love sick soldier stuck overseas.
Careful. Confirmation bias makes it exceptionally easy to come up with reasons to disbelieve things that don’t fit what we presume about a topic.
I think it’s fair to say we don’t know the shooter’s motivations for sure. Being confident that the shooter was far right just because his family is seems just as terrible a conclusion to jump to. How many of us have conservative families we disagree with?
I’m pretty sure the dude wasn’t going “oh my love how I long for thee” like the old dude was saying.
Why not? You didn’t know anyone in college who liked to speak differently sometimes, whether for fun, to be ironic, or to be flowery and “romantic”? People are figuring out who they are in college, some people do stuff other people might consider weird. That type of language doesn’t shock me at all.
Yeah, but they were dorks like myself and very much not inclined to be watching shit from the manosphere or shoot someone.
I know you’re just playing devil’s advocate, but you gotta Occam’s razor this shit i.e.; if you have to make so many assumptions you’re on the wrong path. What is most likely, is most likely by a large margin.
I think what they’re doing is more than playing devil’s advocate in the modern use, using it more as the original meaning of advocating skepticism and caution when coming to conclusions. I think you both have points, but holy hell it’s refreshing seeing someone calling for calming down and thinking skeptically on the internet when speaking to their own side.
Yep, the kid came from a place that is whiter than the service of the moon. A place where nearly everyone belongs to at least two hardcore cults. A place so insulated, so terrified of any culture that isn’t their own. I would think it’s extremely unusual if he used a more modern tone and vocabulary.
I would think it’s extremely unusual if he used a more modern tone and vocabulary.
I don’t know that I’d find that unusual, either, honestly. Judging by the bullet memes, he was clearly very “online.”
People are complicated. It’s convenient and very tempting to put everyone into neat boxes, but individuals often don’t fit into those boxes. Not completely.
I’ve been very online since the most common connection speed was 9.6 kbps. Terminally online in both the pun and colloquial sense since 20 years before the term was coined.
Memes are memes. Not a language to themselves. You still generally reflect the larger community around you. While I largely choose to speak with a more neutral to even mid Atlantic accent. When I’m around it I easily fall back into rural southern/midwestern accents. Because that’s what I grew up around.
Thanks
Doesn’t matter. That first dopamine hit about trans “rhetoric” got him and that is all his tiny little Texas brain needed. America is a giant puddle of gasoline and the regime here keeps flicking lit matches at it.
We have no idea why he killed Kirk. He is not going to talk because they said they would execute him before they caught him. The shooter now has no reason to cooperate.
Yes, but the fascists blamed it on trans people before the blood hit the floor.
It doesn’t matter what he believed, they have blamed it on the left so it’s now the left’s fault
they blame everything on the left.
Surprised they havent blamed trump having to climb up an escalator as an elaborate antifa terrorist attack on the sanctity of american decency.
Oh they definitely tried too, Fox News was talking about bombing the UN headquarters. It just happened to come out pretty quick that the dumb shits did it to themselves.
Surprised they havent blamed trump having to climb up an escalator as an elaborate antifa terrorist attack on the sanctity of american decency.
They have though…
why am i not surprised.
They actually did
The only actual evidence we’ve been shown is that he was largely apolitical but grew up in a MAGA family, and at some point in time began disliking CK, possibly due to a pendulum swing against his hard right family after moving out. There’s no real evidence to support that he was hard right or hard left, or in fact had any strong political affiliations. Only that he disliked the guy he shot enough to shoot him.
Facts are irrelevant to these people. They trust nobody’s word beyond those who affirm what they want to believe.
omg no more late night show for you
Conclusions drawn from evidence and the testimony from friends suggested that he leaned libertarian without taking an explicit political position.
I don’t think so. That’s what a lot of people were speculating. But seems like he mostly grew up in a MAGA family, but was queer himself, so a bit alienated from the MAGA movement due to the homophobia within it and mostly stayed out of talking about politics with his friends. Seems like he mostly just saw Kirk as a danger to himself and those he loved because of Kirk doing things like promoting violence against queer people.
Source that he was queer?
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/exclusive-leaked-messages-from-charlie
Source claiming Tyler was bisexual. Obviously not definitive evidence, but its not like they can do a blood test and prove his sexuality or something - they best you are likely to get is his friends saying he was or was not.
I wasn’t referencing him dating someone who is allegedly trans, since a man dating a woman wouldn’t be evidence of not being an allocishet. OTOH, if his lover is not trans, then it would be evidence that he isn’t straight.
Yeah, this is what I was looking for, not random comments that go through different filters. Google was giving me speculation garbage. Thank you!
Crazy accurate for this case
That one, single downvote like, “say it ain’t so! You take that back!” 🤣
Every single mass shooter has been claimed to be trans by Alex Jones for the past like 3 years. Before any evidence is out, 4chan posters will find a random trans persons social media profile, grab pictures and post them claiming they are the shooter. They claim that psych meds (like anti depressants) and hormones fuck with your head in a way that makes you crazy and wanting to shoot people.
This shit is on purpose to inspire dumbasses like this guy.
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I miss the old 4chan where their politics were insane justifications to commit whatever acts of terrorism in the middle of their venn diagram of “things they feel like doing” and “things they have the capacity to do” but weren’t right or left but politically confused, angry, and kinda insane. The 4chan of anonymous instead of the 5 4chan of kiwifarms
I’m 42 and have been struggling with mental health issues since I was a teenager. But seeing and hearing all of the maga talk and conspiracy’s makes me realize that I’ve had my shit together this whole time.
As a reminder to anybody of any age that is suffering with mental health issues, remember that you are loved and needed and every day might be a struggle, but just getting up and putting 1 foot in front of the other is more than enough to achieve a goal.
I thought that I was a fairly low-tier human for a long time. The Trump Regime has forced me to reevaluate. I am a decent person.
That is disturbing.
I remember stumbling on creationist debunks back in middle school and coming to the conclusion that I may be a dumbass but at least I ain’t completely delusional and a dumbass. This whole BS with the right wingers being fucking deranged and stupid has done wonders for my deranged mixed inferiority/superiority complex.
Same here. Those who are open to changing and dealing with it and doing the work can go really really far, too.
I wish guys like this weren’t stigmatized from admitting they need help, asking for it, and working on themselves.
No u are loved and needed.
That’s exactly why kirk must rest in piss
The media did this on purpose
The Republicans you mean.
That’s what they said
I think they meant billionaires
Still the same
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Charlie wouldn’t have wanted this! Oh, wait, charlie kirk? Yeah, he’d have wanted this. Disregard.
Which Charlie were you thinking of? Charlie the unicorn probably would have handed him an AK-47 just to watch the chaos…
Think of the candy mountain, Charlie!
The kid who bites fingers is in full support too
The GOP sure knows how to inspire violence
That ol’ boy looks like he ate the guy who ate all the pies. His blood sugar must have been low, he was just hangry. If only someone had given him a Snickers.
He needs a diet and workout routine, not a snickers.
Without guns, this would just be aome out of breath guy who’s trying to chase gay people while they make fun of him
Another MAGAt that looks like ISIS but with white skin.
Vanilla Isis
No ISIS guys weigh 400lb and wheeze to their gun safes.
Well ISIS is conservative.
He’s facing federal charges?
So, you mean that he’ll be let free. I’m calling it now. They’re going to try and paint him as a victim of political targeting by “woke” agents. Goofy Eyes Patel will then dismiss the charges and fire the agents.
Charlie would have been very proud
He would have been down right giddy to read this story on his show.
This dumbass is the embodiment of the MAGA dream.
There has to be some kind of action taken against inbreeding
