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A lot of world class dipshits on this very platform think both sides are equal. Getting pretty tired of reading
“Both sides are fascist, one’s just more open about it.”
Stupidest fucking sentiment I’ve ever had the displeasure of reading. Absolute lack of education and critical thinking skills to say shit like that.
The lack of critical thinking skills is when people cannot understand that one side is fascist and the other enables the fascists.
To many leftist, capitalist imperialism is just fascism in disguise, and they are entirely correct.
I was banned from the lemmy.ml memes community for saying the Democrats are slightly better than Republicans. After saying it I needed to argue with 20 people at once, all with preprepared arguments, who were adamant that both sides are the same.
I’ve also recently seen that that community is extremely toxic in other ways.
I don’t think they’re both equal, they’re certainly both shit.
How do you measure the quality of shit?
Let’s just say I wouldn’t let Maxine Waters or Mitch McConnell watch my dog
If “shittiness” was a binary, they’d definitely the same. However, in the real world it’s a spectrum that looks more like:
Beautiful!
Now, add some marionette strings to both parties, connect those strings to a billionaire’s hand and it will be a perfect representation!
With their proposed ideas, I’d mostly agree.
However, with the increasingly shittier Republicans they have compromised further and further into utter shit. They’ve tacked toward shitty, pretty hard in some cases, to try to lure some shitty votes their way… alienating those who want less shit. They’ve opted to take money from extremely shitty people because they have a lot of money but those people desire there to be more shit. The Democrats abandoned their less shitty ground repeatedly even when they managed to find some real leverage, unleashing torrents of shit for no apparent reason (unless they actually want more shit).
So yes, their campaign websites have a lot less shit on them than the Republicans, but in practice the party as a whole has either pushed for things to be much shittier or compromised their alleged ideals unnecessarily resulting in things being much shittier.
There are certainly diamonds in the shit. I don’t think it’s all of them, but current leadership is definitely way more shitty than they look. What concerns me is that every time we get rid of some small contingency of Democrats that are obviously bathing in shit and willing to open the floodgates for the Republicans, we always seem to find just enough of the remaining Democrats wiling to dive in and replace them. It gives the impression that, for a significant subset of them, their campaign slogans and alleged ideals are performative.
As “the other side” don’t speak for me. I want guillotines and a substantial redistribution of wealth until we no longer have billionaires.
Obviously the republicans are genuinely terrible people
But I’ll give you an equivalence that actually holds up
Both parties have their snouts in the trough and depend on huge levels of external funding which completely undermines your democracy
That is a problem that needs to be fixed
OK, fix it when the government isn’t on a bloodhunt for transgender people, to start with.
i felt embarassed trying to be a centrist at one point because i figured i should move where their goal posts were. they’re trying to normalize shifting goalposts and they know it. unfortunately there’s no actual social punishment for this.
It’s wild how often both sides gets used to blur real differences.
both sides are bad. One is just infinitely worse.
People refusing to vote for the lesser of two evils is what got us the worse evil!
People refusing to vote for the lesser of two evils is what got us the worse evil!
What are you even talking about? Biden got elected and enabled the modern-day holocaust lol. There is no “lesser evil”, there are many heads to the same hydra: capitalism.
Uhh yeah Biden bad but things would be less bad if Harris had won, doesn’t make her good, what point are you trying to make
Less bad for you, maybe. Ask the people murdered by the Genocide Joe - Holocaust Harris administration if things would’ve been better for them. Ask the survivors if Harris being elected will bring back their dead family.
The point I’m trying to make is that you are unconsciously a white supremacist (yes, even if you are not white) who is willing to sign your name off to endorse the ethnic-based mass-murder of brown people overseas in order to protect your own privilege and comfort. That’s “lesser evil”. Try fighting all evil instead.
Aside from all that, Harris promised the “most lethal” military in the world - that means one thing, “killing the most people” - so on top of addressing your weak, white supremacist premise, I’m going to have to disagree with your weak liberal conclusion as well.
Thank you for having critical thinking skills and the patience to actually type it out for people who most likely won’t even bother to read it in good faith.
lol yeah I used to do audio transcription so I have like a ~100 WPM typing rate… I can waste some internet words
I have neuropathy that has affected my fingers, my PC is set up on a coffee table in a corner cause that’s the only space I have for it, and I usually only browse through Boost on my phone anyways. So, typing things out is a pain and I usually just point to authors and books to read.
well fuck me for prioritizing the genocides happening in my own country over the genocides happening on the other side of the planet.
edit: responded to the wrong comment, but the one I meant to respond to was also by you so I’m leaving it.
What’s happening in America is terrible but if you’re comparing it to what is happening in Palestine as being even close to equivalent, you are a chronically out-of-touch and overprivileged liberal.
Blaming voters is just another way of wishing reality was different. Lots of people are telling you exactly how they are going to act but you are asking those without power to accommodate those with power. That’s a choice and it says a lot about how you perceive power and it’s authority.
Which side is telling us that these are the sides. I’m not disagreeing with either of the sides but I kind of feel like there’s chirality to every political opinion.
I disagree with any over-simplification
Real, lasting change isn’t going to happen instantly and with a minimal of effort.
Movements have to be built, leaders have to be cultivated. These things take time. Mistakes will be made. There will be times when you do everything right but still there are setbacks. If you want your working-class peers to represent your ideals in government, you have to support them. You have to be willing to let them learn, you have to help them out financially and strategically. Because otherwise, the vast majority of them can’t compete against billionaires and their favored picks.
Voting alone is not enough in today’s climate. Angrily typing at each other and posting furious videos blaming everybody but ourselves is not enough. You continue to do the same but expect different results – you’re going to be disappointed.
Buh, buh, buh, buh, buh MY candidate didn’t win their primary. Guess what? You’ve got at least 2 more years to build a movement around people who reflect your values and represent you. You can’t snap your fingers and expect the world to revolve around you instantly. Winning takes time, planning, strategy, organizing, money, and so much more. There is no quick fix strategy, and I guarantee you that even if literally every single thing from this moment forward goes exactly right and exactly your way, it’s still going to be the better part of a decade (or longer) before there’s any chance of arriving where you want to be. This isn’t a sprint. It’s not even a marathon. Making progress means you have to keep going.
The discouraging part isn’t that it’s going to take a long time.
The discouraging part is that the majority of people need to be convinced that they should treat others like human beings.
“Everyone” being… everyone in Europe?
The average American I come across (at least online) very vocally can’t be arsed. I don’t mean in a general sense, I mean even in a left AF space like Lemmy, the average American user will argue up and down why a revolution in the US right now just “isn’t feasible” and “we’re all one paycheck away-” as repeated justification for kowtowing. I guess I get it, after all remember how no one ever revolted in France because they were all one loaf away from starvation?
Oh, wait a minute.
The only ways for us to truly revolt, I think, would be to A. Storm the Capital like the right did, or B. Take over each individual state capital to freeze the government and seize control.
But even then, the military and police could wipe anything out if most are not on our side.
A. Storm the Capital like the right did
What? And then what? They didn’t know what to do either, they took selfies and stole stuff and pissed in drawers or whatever. The country can function juuuust fine without access to the Capitol.
B. Take over each individual state capital to freeze the government and seize control.
Stranger, what kind of fantasyland are you living in? Do you think real life works like Domination in Call of Duty where you win if you hold all the points? Protestors could take the Capitol in Sacramento and most of California wouldn’t even notice.
Our power is in our status as the working class, not in taking over government buildings. Taking over your nearest Starbucks would unironically be more effective at changing the trajectory of the country.
Think less “Capitol” and more “capital”.
True. So what would you suggest? Taking over corporate headquarters and places like Wall Street?
I’m afraid it’s nothing that immediate or glorious (not yet anyway, but really, probably not for my generation… I’m 30. Maybe by the time the current youth are 30 we can have a shot.)
Americans are too disorganized to effectively exercise working class power, and too exploited to effectively organize. So you have to attack that reality from every front, many of which are mundane but essential.
Fighting exploitation primarily entails making things less expensive. The legal system will not save us, nor will electoral politics, though local politics are often worth the time. You can make it less expensive for people to raise children by watching their kids for them. You can make it less expensive for people to eat by growing food for them or cooking for them. You can make your own existence less expensive by buying used goods wherever possible and viable, and generally buying less consumer goods. I’ve had the same laptop for like 13 years, the same sunglasses for 15 years, the same shoes for 5 or 6 years, the same car for 5 or 6 years (with no plans to replace it).
All that money I didn’t need is time I didn’t need to spend working, which in turn frees me up to organize and just fuckin exist a little bit, which makes life more worth living, which makes you more motivated to fight for it. Add a little compassion / empathy to that mix, and it makes you more motivated to fight for other people too.
Then organizing looks different for everyone, but a good place to start is with (especially non-religious) organizations dedicated to feeding or otherwise serving the homeless, or environmental cleanup groups, or if none of that exists, just getting some friends together and doing something to improve where you live. Literally anything to make things better for those around you is how it starts.
You’re skipping ahead, which is fine, we’ve all been there and we all wish we could accelerate things. But if we had the power to take over corporate offices to any level which would cause a real economic impact or actually threaten the safety of shareholders / executives, then they would already fear us too much to be fucking us over the way they are.
No matter the choice, the streets will run red, and lives lost, if such a thing were to happen.
Such a thing SHOULD have happened on Jan 6.
“I wish my fascist government had massacred the other group of stupid working class people”
shitlib take
Sorry princess, it wasnt a peaceful tour, no matter what your semi-sentient olestra stain wannabe-god says.
What? Jan 6thers were violent (if inept) insurrectionists, I just don’t care what they attempted to do to a genocidal capitalist empire built on stolen land.
Rooting for either side makes you a loser.
Both of you maybe? Why did Democrat took it personally anyway?
it feels like these are a bunch of buzzwords to likefarm instead of actually saying anything. No, i don’t think the average republican / American is fully unprejudiced and benevolent. but to say an entire half of the country wants slavery back is nonsense
It’s the bottom half, if that helps.
ITT: a lot of people pretending there’s more than one side
Actually, the other side mostly wants things to stay the same. Their constituents, on the other hand, would like to see better healthcare, education, unions, and stronger safety nets. But since the other side aren’t fascists, their voters are stuck with them.
This right here ☝️. The grassroots democrats I could support. It’s the Chuck Schumers and John Fettermans that will undermine the party from within that make supporting democrats difficult.
Then primary them.
The odds of us getting out of this with a revolution are vanishingly small.
The answer is going to be reforming the Democrat party by primarying the Schumers and the Fettermans out.
Party reformation has happened multiple times in American history and conservatives literally just did it in the worst way possible to the Republican party over the last decade or two.
Party reformation takes time. That is life.
Right, but in the mean time it makes any attempt to claim “The Democrats stand for [insert policy position]” a lie, because while an individual democrat may believe in those things, the part as a whole can’t agree on anything at all. They can’t even align themselves on their own platform, let alone apply pressure to the Republicans. At best they’re nothing but a speed break for more republican policy. You’re still getting republican policy, just slower, and they can’t move the needle in the other direction even if they win because they’ll simply surrender in advance.
Wasting more time and more money trying to slow the rate the US collapses into a burning train wreck is an exercise in futility. The only real solution is to try and build a “coalition of the willing” to preserve what is left and the Republicans drive the rest, screaming incoherently, off the cliff they’re headed for. Small scale organizing, networks to help move people to safety “underground railroad” style, to move material and finances in ways that circumvent federal control, create safe-havens that can resist federal encroachment and operate outside of federal regulation meant to break down resistance. Register some “Churches” that can provide physical plant and meeting grounds, as well as offer support services when federal support is ripped up. Build a nation within a nation.
Voting for Democrats isn’t going to stop this spiral. They have no vision, no will, no unity, and zero political capital to actually create change. Sure, vote blue to slow the bleeding, if you’re still allowed by next election, but as long as they’re a party so big tent they have no direction at all, they’re just a slower, more painful collapse.
Why haven’t the democrats kicked out Fetterman?
Because he was elected and is still serving his term?
And it doesn’t appear that he’s the type of person to resign.
Do the 21 people who have upvoted you thus far not understand how our government works?
Impeachment would be a good move to Fetterman for conning an entire state to vote for his fascist ass.
Rotating villain. He allows them to tell their constituents “we want what you want, we just don’t have the power because of thay one guy, but if you vote just a little harder, we won’t pull the football away this time”, while telling their donors “we ain’t giving them shit lmao”.
remember that one time the villain was ‘the parliamentarian’? apparently that guy exists and is suddenly important when the democrats run out of reasons to blame republicans
He was elected in 2022, so his next election is in 2028.
Senators are elected for 6 years. House Representatives have election every 2 years.
Edit: gotta love the down vote, as if facts didn’t matter, just feelings or as if I wrote the Constitution.
Didn’t stop the democrats from giving the boot to Al Franken halfway into his term.
Al Franken resigned, champ.
People have to have a conscience to be shamed into resigning.
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How would that work, exactly?
PA senators are not subject to recalls, so it’s out of the hands of the voters. He could technically be impeached and removed from office by the Senate itself… but for what, exactly? It’s not illegal to vote a certain way, even if it’s against the wishes of your constituency.
And even if Fetterman were somehow removed, PA is an extremely competitive state. Remember, he won against Doctor fucking Oz, so the chance of someone even worse coming in to replace him is quite high. The devil you know, etc etc…
Best case scenario is that he gets primaried into irrelevance in 2028 by someone with actual integrity. But even then, I’m not holding my breath…
How would that work, exactly?
You pull all of his committee assignments and neuter his value to lobbyists. If all he has is his vote on the legislation that hits the floor, he can’t do much and it will hurt him both financially and politically, because if you don’t have value to lobbyists they won’t send you “gifts”.
You attack him personally and threaten his business or personal connections. For example, if Dems wanted to pull Manchin in line, for example, they could have sent the DoJ after his daughter for price gouging consumers on pharmaceuticals.
And yes, while it doesn’t matter now, you make sure he knows he’ll be primaried out and smeared like yesterday’s dog shit. Character assassination is effective and could bring someone in line, especially when they’re enthusiastically supporting genocide and Israel’s popularity is in the shitter.
That’s how.
They’ve never been powerless. They’re just complicit.
Exactly.
Look at how Donald has dealt with people who get out of line. Democrats aren’t powerless. The villain’s part of their party strategy.
There’s always a rotating villain.
Used to be Dianne Feinstein. Then it was Joe Manchin. Then it was that Sinema bitch. Now it’s Fetterman and Schumer.
And people just kind of ignore the pattern and pretend it isn’t a party-wide PR strategy.
Not speaking for anyone else, but I’m fully aware of what the Democratic Party stands for. Problem is, the alternative has gotten so much worse.
Before the current madness, there was a part of me aching to vote for someone crazy to come and hasten the act of burning this mess to the ground. Then I saw it, and got scared. Maybe that’s when I should’ve leaned in.
the media is owned by private individuals with their own agenda.
