• percent@infosec.pub
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    They have to be guided? That sounds almost as inconvenient as just going to the store

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      Every single shopping system I’ve used you don’t even know who you’re picker is because who cares. You go on the website like normal, pick the stuff you want, and pay for it.

      Presumably some store clerk goes and get the items and put some in the bag and then some one from uber door dash picks it up and delivers it to you.

      If you have to remote control them I’m not sure how that’s helpful

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    I’ve never understood that kind of service, getting others to shop for you sounds like way more of a hassle than just doing it yourself, is this some kind of american thing because their closest grocery store is three hours away by car or something?

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      a friend of mine thoroughly appreciates that he can order groceries for pickup and save the time wandering the store finding things and checking out. I understand that

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        I appreciate not having to wonder vaguely around the store trying to work out what aisle they think gherkins should belong in.

        Turns out they go in “jams and spreads” which makes perfect sense.

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      I order directly from the grocery store and they deliver the groceries. The last thing I want to do after I drive an hour home from work (leave 6:20, return home 5:20) is walk all around a grocery store trying to avoid other shoppers. It’s infinitely easier to order it while I’m working and have it delivered around the time I get home.

      I hope ordering directly from them means a store employee is the one picking the items, so they know where stuff is and are being paid hourly, at least.

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      I live in a place that had almost zero public transportation 8 years ago. 8 years ago I developed epilepsy and temporarily lost my driver’s license due to this condition. The closest grocery store is 7 miles away and I live far from family and friends so grocery shopping was nearly impossible at times. Grocery delivery was one of my only ways to get food. It can be useful in more scenarios than you can imagine.

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      I’ve met delivery app drivers who were literally crying on delivery because they’re having trouble with bills and realizing there getting paid $40 to look around a store for 2 hours in addition to driving and delivering the actual food.

      I understand that some people find a reason to use these services. I’ll do my best to avoid them as long as possible.

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        To be fair, any job will do that to a person. I worked in a whisky bar for 5+ years with decent pay and loved most of it, had a lot of fun. Worked my way from a casual bartender to fill time salaried venue manager. Won international whisky and cocktail awards.

        But it started to wear on me having the exact same problems with the owner of the bar every single week, and the exact same conversation with the exact same regulars every single day. The only thing that changed was the people I work with. I started to feel like I barely knew anyone anymore because most of the staff were students or backpackers so they were in and out in 6 months tops. After the last full time bartender left for a different career it felt like I lost my last friend.

        One day I rocked up to work to start setting up and the smell of the place hit me as I opened the door and I just broke down crying behind the bar at 28 years old. Handed in my 4 weeks notice that day. The owner didn’t even bother to see me before I left even though he’d only owned the bar for 6 months longer than I’d worked there for him. A year later the place couldn’t find a good replacement and shut down entirely.

        Work is just depressing. We weren’t made for this. And late stage capitalism is making things even worse where people aren’t paid enough and aren’t even considered employees anymore.

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          I’ve met delivery app drivers who were literally crying on delivery because they’re having trouble with bills and realizing there getting paid $40 to look around a store for 2 hours in addition to driving and delivering the actual food.

          To be fair, any job will do that to a person

          That’s not being fair. I’ve been in several jobs that didn’t.

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            It is fair. I have had MULTIPLE jobs that had me crying in the car before work nearly every day. Ranging from $7 an hour to more than $50 an hour. Toxic work environments that trigger these intense emotions is not all that rare. I’d say I’m the common denominator in these situations but I am known to be a very pleasant person to work with (I strive for this because it often makes work life 100x easier lmao). I could be delusional but I really don’t think it’s me. Unless being too nice is the reason I get into these situations BUT I DIGRESS. I’m genuinely happy you haven’t experienced this because it’s extremely difficult and destroys your mental health.

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              I’m sorry you had multiple jobs that did this to you.

              You shouldn’t let that make you feel like it is the norm that any job will do to you.

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                Unfortunately I live in a state that is very uh… “Family oriented” or “traditional”. I’m not very welcome in my line of work. 90% of the time I’m the only woman. Lol, I figure I just have to deal with it and prove them wrong.

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            Good for you, never worked a job that didn’t absolutely suck in various ways, I guess for now at least I’m making enough to be comfortable.

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      I’m working 8-5, 6-10 for the next 6 weeks. Sometimes it’s helpful to have basic groceries at your door.

      They did used to offer similar services between the 1950s and 1990s - just low-tech. You’d tell the milkman and the grocer what you wanted and it’d be on your doorstep at 7am in the morning.

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      Stay-at-home wife has the kids and doesn’t feel like dragging them through the store. Proposes that it’s cheaper to order instacart or shipped because they don’t make impulse purchases. (and for Target I 100% agree)

      Ordering for pickup at the store is an option, but they’re shopping for the store, not you, so you’re going to get the older produce and less attention to replacements.

      Personally, I like grocery shopping.

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      Or you don’t drive. I usually just go to the store as needed and fill a backpack, but if we need more than that we get things delivered.

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      If you don’t own a car, or can’t drive (at the moment) for some other reason, in a lot of suburbs in the US you literally don’t have a choice.

      Where I live in Germany there’s also a lot of supermarket delivery, but they’re generally picked and delivered by people working directly for the supermarket, not random gig economy dudes of the street, so since they have access to the stores inventory system they will automatically know what is available (and since the order app also has that access, you can’t even order anything the supermarket already doesn’t have in inventory at the time of ordering), and either automatically cancel, automatically substitute or send you a notification to pick an option if something is out.

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        Yeah, the idea that this is a uniquely American thing is, itself, the kind of thing I’d expect some pick-me American teenager to say.

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        If you don’t own a car, or can’t drive (at the moment) for some other reason, in a lot of suburbs in the US you literally don’t have a choice.

        Counter point: these services are relatively new and the majority of people in these suburbs got along fine without exploiting that labor before. There are edge cases that this may benefit (meals on wheels type situations) but I’d argue it’s still borderline immoral to use them.

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          Lol, no they fucking didn’t. They’d beg people to go shopping for them, meaning they were literally reliant on other people’s schedules to get food. Or like my grandmother, she’d call a cab both ways, wobble herself down the stairs to wait for it, spend two hours slowly working her half blind ass through each aisle to find the shit she needed, and then still be unable to carry more than ten pounds of groceries at a time. This is a miserable ordeal.

          Compare to my mother in law, in a similar position, her kids and grandchildren can just ship her food from anywhere with an app. She loves it. The drivers get tipped. We call her and she talks about what she got delivered. But sure, food delivery is “immoral” when you are sufficiently privileged I guess.

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            the majority of people in these suburbs got along fine without exploiting that labor before.

            Lol, no they fucking didn’t

            You sittin’ there arguing that the majority of people were begging others to go shopping for them?

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          I prefer my grandma to use them over driving herself. This stuff arrived over the pandemic but its niche is permanent, not everyone using it is doing it out of laziness.

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            these services are relatively new and the majority of people in these suburbs got along fine without exploiting that labor before.

            There are edge cases that this may benefit (meals on wheels type situations) but I’d argue it’s still borderline immoral to use them.

            I prefer my grandma to use them over driving herself. This stuff arrived over the pandemic but its niche is permanent, not everyone using it is doing it out of laziness.

            I didn’t say everyone was doing it out of laziness.

            I said the majority got along fine before.

            I said some portions of the pop’n benefit from it now.

            It’s still exploitative and I believe borderline immoral. The gig economy is bad for the overall economy.

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              Most grocery places now do their delivery/curbside themselves so you don’t have to patronize a third party app.

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                I am legitimately imagining this person pitching a fit because he got invited to a party and they want to order pizza. Or rather, I imagine them pretending like that’s what they did later in the shower, because nobody actually acts like this in real life.

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                  I am legitimately imagining this person pitching a fit because he got invited to a party and they want to order pizza.

                  Otherwise you’d have to imagine me as a normal person arguing that the service you use is a net negative on society, I guess. Just chilling here petting my dog and posting PRs at work while bsing on the Internet.

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                “Oh man, it won’t fix capitalism? Guess I better keep my mouth shut then unless I can fix the entire thing.”

                See how silly that sounds?

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                  “Oh boy I can strawman someone’s argument online? Guess I better do it at every chance!”

                  See how silly that sounds?

                  To the actual point, you’d be much better off spending your time on the root issues instead of attacking a very small minority of the problem. That’s my only point, food/grocery delivery is so low on the list of capitalism exploitation shit.

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    A bit sexist but upvoted for the potential. Here’s how simple it is to remove the sexism:

    Microdosing being married to a man (again) by gently but firmly guiding a boy Instacart shopper. Matthew, are you telling me there are zero (0) tomatoes in the entire store at 10AM

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      I’m a man and I don’t find it all that sexist.

      It’s a fairly lighthearted stab at how young men often lack basic life skills. In a patriarchal society, we’ve perhaps grown too accustomed to the women in our lives doing a lot of things for us because “men bring home the bacon, women keep things in order at home”. Moms when we’re young, then girlfriends, wives.

      Yes, your version would work too, but not as well IMO.

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      It’s very sexist but man I don’t know wtf is up. Every single time it’s a masuline name my groceries are picked horribly and super common things are magically out of stock. One time I ordered tampons and the person with the masuline name got me Poise pads instead. THOSE THINGS ARE THICC AF FOR BLADDER LEAKS!!. 😭 Dude just grab a different brand of tampons, they all have the same logic of L, R, and S.

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      I saw it as a commentary on how the patriarchy infantilizes men to the point where they don’t even know how to shop properly. And that she doesn’t have that experience with her now wife.

      Which is sometimes unfortunately accurate. Every horrible insta experience has been a dude. It hasn’t been many, but when I ask for frozen pizza, no you can’t swap it out for frozen peas. I get that they share a lot of letters, but c’mon.

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        there’s gotta be some sort of factor where low effort men gravitate to Instacart and low effort women gravitate to other jobs. I don’t readily accept that men are just shittier, considering my own experience is rather equal

        because that peas for pizza thing is fucking terrible lmao

        as a related note, I’m not sure if we’ve had one successful male project manager at work. I think we have a couple now and at least one of them is doing well, but prior to that none of them lasted more than half a year and didn’t do well in that time. I think we’re approaching the half year mark on one of the men now. the women seem to be the only ones that can keep up with the shitstorm and put up with the abuse from all sides. I sure as fuck couldn’t/wouldnt. read into that what you will about how people are treated in that work environment, and specifically how women are treated and how they deal with it.

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        So if patriarchy doesn’t provide women proper experience in leadership roles, your logic also makes it ok to say this:

        Microdosing being married to a woman by gently but firmly teaching a girl intern how to properly lead a project.

        Your logic seems a bit problematic. As for me personally, I’d rather not perpetrate stereotypes even if they happen to be true today.

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          I’m not sure project management is a household task. So that feels a bit weird. Totally different relationship dynamic.

          But otherwise, yes, you’re talking about mentorship of women and we want more of that.

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        I saw it as a commentary on how the patriarchy infantilizes men

        Weird because the author didn’t mention any source of blame. Except the man, and men in general, of course.

        I see your comment as a very charitable interpretation of a clearly sexist comment that would never be tolerated if it were a man disparaging a woman for not being good at something stereotypically in the domain of men, like cars or whatever.

        We’ve really got over “I hate my wife” humour to replace it with “I hate my (hypothetical) husband” humour.

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          very charitable interpretation

          I’m happy you think my lived experience is charitable. I could just as easily say that yours is needlessly confrontational. And both of those opinions have the same merit. None.

          And she clearly hated her husband enough to divorce him. So… Yeah. You’re allowed to hate your ex. That’s the whole point of having an ex. What’s stupid is when you hate on your current spouse.

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            Your experiences are not up for debate - it’s not the same thing as your interpretation of someone else’s words. You haven’t experienced the correct interpretation of the words from original author - you’ve experienced a situation that you see in those words. Your interpretation is therefore that they’re talking about the same situation as you were in and, what’s more, that their perception of it is the same as yours. Because that interpretation goes beyond the actual words they used, and because the words they used really sound like they’re saying something else, that makes it charitable.

            And she clearly hated her husband enough to divorce him.

            Sounds like more interpretation of the situation that goes beyond the words written. Maybe you’ve got additional insight into it that isn’t in the post?

            You’re allowed to hate your ex. That’s the whole point of having an ex

            How miserable. I don’t hate any of mine. I think only one hates me.

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              " being married to a man (again)" - this seems to imply that she was previously married to a man, and she’s microdosing doing it again.

              And my point isn’t that you should hate your ex. I don’t hate mine. My point is that people say you shouldn’t hate your spouse. And that is true. If you hate your spouse, leave, don’t bad mouth them. I was keeping you on topic because you brought up hating on husbands, and we’re not talking about husbands. We’re talking about ex’s.

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                Yep, certainly previously married to a man. But maybe he divorced her? Or he died, or they split amicably? Lots of possibilities.

                Thanks for your clarification about not hating your spouse, I understand where you were coming from now. Looks like I interpreted that one too uncharitably, eh?

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    Men BAD.

    Women GOOD.

    Boomer humor for millenials.

    Hmm, who do I believe, the precariat gig worker whose livelihood depends on procuring just the right kind of tomatoes or an alleged adult too lazy to go to the store but not too lazy to whine about every mild inconvenience on social media and might be making the entire story up for fake internet clout?

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    Don’t know when this was originally posted since it lacks a timestamp, but yes there were like 2-3 weeks in a row recently where there were no tomatoes in the store (other than cherry tomatoes)

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      Can’t speak for Instacart, but DD had a problem where the store could have a perfectly acceptable substitute in stock. But, the store didn’t have the replacement UPC/SKU registered with DD. Because DD didn’t know what you were adding, the shopper app would simply not allow the shopper to make the substitution.

      So if the store switched produce suppliers, they could have 40 bushels of tomatoes available at the store, but the shopper wouldn’t be able to put any of them in the cart.

      I used to have to wander around trying to find products the same price as the replacement, then explain to the customer why I was adding a scannable $3.17 9 volt battery as a substitute for unscannable $3.17 worth of brussel sprouts.

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        Cherry tomatoes are tomatoes.

        While your statement is objectively correct, surely you would have a preference when it comes to tomatoes on sandwiches, or when making a caprese/other recipes that use sliced tomatoes.

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          I love them on sandwiches, you can place the halves to fit the shape of the bread. And you’re going to cut those caprese slices to fit in your mouth anyway. Use smaller basil leaves and cheese pieces with cherry-tomato halves, it would be very pretty. Or just make “Roman Salad,” with whole ones, bocconcini, pesto and extra chopped basil. Delicious!

          (I have cherry tomatoes growing vigorously in a pot on my balcony, just from poking a ripe one into the dirt and watering.)

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        You sound like my dad in his insistence at all potatoes are baking potatoes. I’ll just go make my jacket new potato then, sure it’s only four centimetres across, nonetheless I’m sure it will make a lovely meal.

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          For most tomato uses an equivalent volume of cherry tomatoes works fine. In some cases they’re superior because they’re already divided into bite sized portions.

          Tiny potatoes bake up a treat (in groups of course ) if you oil and salt the outsides first and time them correctly.

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                Roasting implies cooking them in some kind of fat. Roast potatoes are doused in fat after having been parboiled and their outsides roughened specifically to cook better in that fat. A baked potato is just heated dry. (And if you just ate them like that they’d be shit, but you typically add some butter or cheese)

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                  Roasting implies cooking them in some kind of fat. Roast potatoes are doused in fat

                  Sounds like you’re describing a baked potato to me 😆

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                  Try rubbing your big ol’ russet potato with a little oil and seasoned salt before baking it next time. Little potatoes like this treatment too, no parboiling needed. When finished, add your butter/sour cream/chives/cheese/bacon as you usually prefer. Because they’re still baked potatoes, just with crackly delicious skin and slightly less dry center.

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            If a recipe calls for sun-dried tomatoes and you put in cherry tomatoes it will not work. You can’t just swap between two different types of product.

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              You can “sun-dry” (in real sun or a dryer) cherry tomatoes (and oil them if that’s the kind of sundried ones you need)

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        Spoken like you consider diet cream a suitable replacement. Without talking to the cook first.

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      Instacart is a grocery delivery app. You shop from the app from one or more stores and a person goes out and shops on your behalf and delivers it to your door. You get updates as your shopper is picking your items.

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          People with mobility issues, no car and no Supermarkets within walking distance, a lot of disabled people, temporarily or otherwise, me while tending to a sick cat who needed fluids every two hours and has allergies to a couple of very common things, etc.

          I could go on but I think my point has been made. It is pointless for me to buy 4 packs of tortillas if the brand of beans that doesn’t trigger my IBS is unavailable.

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            No, I mean who needs to get updates as your shopper is picking your items? Isn’t it enough to get the order?

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              Because they will often say something is unavailable when it absolutely is, or will substitute an item that’s no way a legitimate substitution.

              I’ve heard that women have a lot of trouble with getting correct period products.

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                And not to mention budget breaking substitutions, allergies, taste, lifestyle choices and such. Lots of things usually classified as lazy are originally borne out of accessibility needs.

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              It often is, but for instance, if they’re out of the pills I use to be able to digest lactose, then buying milk and cheese is a waste for me, if they’re out of tortillas then I can make chilli with mostly the same ingredients, but if they’re out of the specific type of beans I need, then I have to rethink my whole purchase order, and stuff like that.

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            That’s a small subset of people using that service. Let’s be honest. Most are lazy Americans that don’t want to leave home. Like my cousins who are ungrateful little shits.

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    As a man who does all the grocery shopping and cooking in his household, I find this post sexist. She probably has some personality problems that well-adjusted men aren’t willing to tolerate, so she’s only attracting men who struggle

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      It is sexist, but I feel like at a different level. Growing up I was never expected to ever need to grocery shop, so no effort was made to familiarize me with the process. It was never said out loud, but skills like that were just assumed to be for women. No one said you couldn’t, they just looked at you weird and you internalized that when you were young and just didn’t think about it again. I am old but not that old, we had cell phones when I was a kid but our most advanced app was snake.

      People don’t realize how far we’ve come so fast but then also don’t realize how unevenly applied that is. There are still a tremendous amount of men living objectively successful lives raised the exact same way I was that would be completely inexperienced with the idea of a produce aisle. If you’re rich, poor or just in a specific culture you can still easily skip a lot of seemingly very basic skills and still be “well adjusted” by most metrics.