If I could only learn one additional language, and I wanted to travel the world, what language would serve me best other than English or Spanish?
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Early adopter of that one. ~1994 IIRC
Kinda surprised that no one has mentioned sign language. I feel that it’s use cases expand outside the original intent, especially if other people in your circle understand it.
But OP was asking about travelling the world. Sign language wouldn’t help with that.
Sign language isn’t one language. There’s American Sign Language, British Sign Language, Australian Sign Language, Nigerian Sign Language, etc.
American Sign Language and British Sign Language are completely unintelligible to each other.
That’s a good point. I guess I just read the title and everyone else’s comments saying stuff like “Python” and “TypeScript”
How many different standards are there for sign?
Basically every country has their own sign language or an imported sign language that became standardized.
But learning any sign language will make it a lot easier for you to communicate with signers of any sign language. Not because they’re necessarily similar to each other, but because sign language varies a lot regionally anyway (and even locally depending on what method of signing you’re taught) and it will be much more natural to find ways to work around it and communicate with each other.
French and Arabic are the second and third most spoken language in number of countries. Then there is the obvious Mandarin which is spoken in most of China with around a billion locutors
I keep debating Mandarin but my issue is how the language is tied tightly to China. Helpful if I decide to explore China in depth but seemingly less so if I want to “get by” in a large number of countries. If I had an ability to learn languages quickly, I would probably learn French, Mandarin, Arabic, and Hindi, but I think I am already pushing my limits.
Yeah, that’s the thing: “which language is spoken by the most people” is an easy question to answer, but “which language (or combination of languages) lets me communicate well enough to get by in the most places” is much harder because the statistics aren’t necessarily collected in a way that lend themselves to that kind of analysis.
For example, Hindi is spoken by a whole bunch of people, but I’m pretty sure the vast majority of those people also speak English, so if you already know English you don’t actually need to learn it.
Yeah, that’s the gist of the question.
Depends on the route you want to take while traveling. For example, if you want to circumnavigate in a sailboat through the tropics, French is a great choice because France includes a bunch of tropical islands:
French is also widely spoken in Africa, IIRC.
There are more French speakers in Africa than there are in France and the French Language Authority is absolutley SEETHING at this fact because they’re losing control over “proper French” and for the first time ever French is evolving like a language should
There are also french speakers in Canada.
I wonder if most of those countries people don’t speak either English or Spanish as a second language. As opposed to certain specific languages and countries were most people don’t have or use much a second language like for example in Japan or Brazil
In most of the places French is spoken, it is the second language (instead of English or Spanish). Only place I can think of off the top of my head where Francophones would likely also know English is Quebec and, I guess, France itself.
The other languages in the sorts of places I was talking about are mostly ones like Arabic, various sub-Saharan African indigenous languages, or Polynesian.
Since you’re interested in traveling, I would say french. It is spoken in a very wide variety of countries all over the world, you have a lot of resources to learn it and it’s related to the other languages to know. Other languages might have more speakers, but if youre just interested in the visiting a lot of wholly different places, it is probably the best one.
Lots of French loan words are also used by other languages.
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Mandarain opens up communication with over a billion people
If you’re fluent in Spanish you can probably bullshit your way through comprehending most romantic languages so French and Portuguese (the other big colonial languages) are probably out.
Maybe Arabic for the fact that while it isn’t a dominant language in most countries there are fluent communities in all sorts of parts of the world.
Alternatively, Hindi/Mandarin for the sheer number of people it’d let you communicate with.
Plus fluent in Spanish opens up travel to pretty much all of South America, Mexico, and Spain. There are differences in dialect, and some South American countries speak Portuguese, but you’ll still be able to communicate.
Fluency in spanish doesn’t help with french in my experience. While both might be romance languages, french pronounciation makes it so that in conversation words are really, really hard to translate without prior knowledge on some words, at least for me. My first language is spanish, for reference. Portuguese and italian are a 50/50 depending on the accent.
By the numbers: French or Arabic, as other commenters have mentioned.
But it really, really depends on where in the world you want to travel. If you’re interested in Asia, for example, neither French nor Spanish nor Arabic will help you much (save for some remaining French usage in Vietnam).
A better answer is: figure out where you want to go, then do the math on what to learn.
I’d say French or Portuguese
You say “travel the world,” but where realistically will you travel? Westerners tend to travel almost exclusively to other imperial core countries and to popular tourist spots in the periphery that cater to imperial core tourists.
Realistically, not India/Pakistan. Other than that I will likely hit the Americas, Europe, Oceania, Thailand, Vietnam, Shanghai, Singapore, maybe South Korea, Japan, UAE, Morrocco for sure, Turkey, etc. So, quite a bit I hope.
Arabic and Chinese then.
what would be your recommendation for an american reddit leftist like me who has started plans on traveling to satisfy a desire to travel outside the american empire?
i can’t figure out how to do it in a way that doesn’t imperil me because of the those same vulnerability minority identities that the dnc failed to leverage as a cover for the genocide and virtue signal to shut out dissent from among their ranks and costed the whole country in this election.
i have an idea of what life is like for the people at the periphery of the core in north america and i want to know how much worse it is fully outside the core. it now makes sense that why the people want to hold imperialist friendly mexican judges accountable via the ballot box in a system that’s completely captured by the american empire to social engineer the masses like it does when it makes a voter in tempe, arizona wait in line for hours to go vote.
I don’t fully understand your question, and I doubt that I’m qualified to answer, because I have virtually every privilege, and I’ve never thought about international travel but from my own easy mode perspective.
i’ll restate my question: where can i travel to oustide the american empire where my treat monster american nature won’t get me arrested, imprisoned, punished, hate crimed, etc.?
I don’t know what a “treat monster nature” is. I haven’t traveled much outside the core, so I can’t speak to this first-hand, but my impression is that most of the world is mostly a safe place to visit. There aren’t a lot of places that are going to punish you for renting hotel rooms and eating at restaurants as an American. Most people around the world know how to distinguish between America the empire and a civilian American spending money into the local economy.
“a treat monster” is sort of like “tankie” in reverse; it describes the kind of american consumerist that is placated/bribed away from revolutionary thought with treats like big suv’s & social privileges and they’re monsters because they support genocides.
Most people around the world know how to distinguish between America the empire and a civilian American spending money into the local economy.
this is the reason why i ask this question.
my strong american accent makes it clear that i’m a clueless american and that gates my efforts to travel to places outside the core that don’t speak english or spanish. to me; all of the cultures that speak both languages belong to the same hegemony as the american empire and i’m aware that my nature will result in harm coming to me if i can’t atleast speak the language of where i’m visiting.
Be open, humble, friendly, listen more than you talk. Try and learn a bit about the country you’re in, not to have opinions about it, but to better understand the people you meet. Happy travels!
my neuro-divergence sometimes causes people to think that i’m an asshole and if i can’t speak the local language to explain that; i won’t be able to explain away the autism induced faux pas that i created and that can sometimes lead to sticky situations.
I’ve got a few thoughts, as someone also playing on the lowest difficulty setting (cis ~straight white male, america. (Though ex patting in mere weeks, after years!)):
Japan is an incredible place to be a tourist. Learn a few phrases (すみません、ありがとうございます, etc) and a little culture, be respectful, mind your shoes and manners. You’ll do great, and there’s SO much to see and appreciate. It’s a brilliant culture and society, and so different in lots of ways. Very very safe.
Any Scandinavian country is VERY easy to visit as well. English speaking, easy to get to from the states. See how a proper society can function! (I am biased as a soon-to-be-Danish resident)
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i’ll technically be “ex-patting” too since i’m an american and like most other americans i never gone past the periphery of the american empire. lol
a japanophile colleague made a similar recommendation in the past and my past discussions since then with japanese people in this country who also co-occupied my lgbt spaces with me, gives me the impression that the mainstream gay community barely exists at all in japan compared to other places like latin america or south asia; but it does have relatively well represented niches of its own that are unique to japan and mostly unknown to the rest of the world like my niches are mostly unknown to the world outside of the american imperial core.
also: my similar discussions with scandinavian expats in this country over the decades paints a fantastic and vibrant picture for lgbtq within the confines of their own american-allied imperial-core walled-gardens. they have everything that the american empire has for lgbtq plus more and it’s all a bit different with seemingly endless onion-y layers of niches. my intention of traveling is to leave the american imperial core, so i think that scandinavia would defeat that purpose considering that it’s all part of the nato now.
I don’t think this concern is justified in most cases, but I’m not really in position to argue. If this were a common problem, I think I’d have heard about it, but outside of the occasional sensationalist news piece or Hollywood/TV thriller, I haven’t.
I do know an old joke, though: Before visiting a foreign country, it’s important to memorize three phrases in the local language:
- Where is the restroom?
- How much is it for one night?
- Power to the people! I support your revolution!
I don’t think this concern is justified in most cases, but I’m not really in position to argue. If this were a common problem, I think I’d have heard about it, but outside of the occasional sensationalist news piece or Hollywood/TV thriller, I haven’t.
the cases i had in mind were in the reports from federal inquiries investigating the aftermath of the iraqi invasion for non-existent wmd’s after 2008: they detailed HORRIFIC accounts of sometimes weeks long episodes of iraqi lbtq slowly bieng tortured to death while everyone did their best to pretended not to see it happening in front of their eyes. my strong accent already immediately outs me as an american and that’s taught me that the people who live in the periphery of the american empire’s core can all recognize i’m american easily and that’s resulted in experiences like me paying higher prices as a tourist at the most common and inconsequential end of a spectrum of experiences that also includes the iraqi-lgbq-torture example at the other more extreme & uncommon end of that same spectrum.
my experiences in talking to refugees & people of privilege from/in the middle east; south asia; & europe paints a picture of lgbtq communities that resemble the ones in latin america and living in this country as a member to niche several groups within the lgbtq umbrella teaches me that some of my identities have little to no communities at all outside the imperial core like it is in latin america and in large parts of the core itself. i think that my experiences as a gay cis american have turned me into a treat monster and not planning accordingly when traveling outside the imperial core seems like a bad idea if i can’t atleast speak the language to mitigate the social faux paus caused by my neuro-divergence.
i also now wonder if the fact that i learned about the iraqi-lgbtq example from gay subreddits is another manifestation of my identities being used as a virtue signal dog whistle in the dnc’s failed attempt to bank on the presidential election and left us with the genocide, facism and an impending country wide abortion ban among a FAR rightward lurch and i wonder how that’s going to impact the MLK jr timetable.
the numbers of the casualties from the gaza genocide rival those of the hiv/aids crisis per year back in the 1980’s and i think that it’s fitting that it the controversy back then also came at another time where my government also did little more than public displays of support while they strategically allowed thousands to needless die in service to the MLK jr timetable; but this time gaza’s impact is open-secretly-couched as harris not “separating” herself enough from biden as en explanation for the presidency & senate losses rather than plainly admitting that the voter turnout pushes with beyonce et al. succeeded in distracting from the losses of voters abstaining from the election over the genocide.
I’ve only been fortunate enough to travel abroad once before, but my experience had nothing like what you’re worried about. The worst that happened was almost getting scammed at the airport, which is something you’ll have to worry about in imperial core countries too. People were either kind or neutral to our presence.
to me; all of the cultures that speak both languages belong to the same hegemony as the american empire
Ummm perhaps do not tell Central/South Americans this while visiting their country, lol.
central and south american history was and is defined by american political intervention/interference in a similar manner to western europe in the decades following world war 2; it’s literally the reason why we have things like panama and reaggeton and why life sucks real bad for people right now in venezuela, cuba and haiti. (none of the governments in those countries are complying with the american empire’s will so they’re being punished for it with embargoes & sanctions and their people pay the price).
I’ve gained a lot in my life learning Urdu and Hindi and encourage more people to learn. They are essentially the same language with different scripts, but unlike Arabic or Chinese they are Indo European languages and are much easier to learn. I grew up speaking farsi so maybe it was easier for me but if you work in IT knowing Hindi is indispensable.
The Harappan language—then you could decipher the script of the Indus Valley civilization.
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I got excited for a moment. Like when you learn Spanish and get most of Italian and Portuguese for free.
I’m gonna second French and Arabic for sheer amount of speakers (native or as secondary language), as well as geographic variety.
Other than that, I would’ve said that Russian would serve you well in the post-soviet sphere of influence, but that changed recently for obvious reasons. You very likely don’t want to travel to Russia, and her neighbors don’t look to kindly on Russian either, now. Will still do in a pinch
okay, and one joke answer: Japanese, you’ll find weebs to talk to in every country
I mean, most of the world’s population lives in China. So Mandarin would be a good candidate.
More like a quarter.
while China is the second biggest country in terms of population, India has the biggest population. For the majority of the world (>4 billion) to live somewhere, you’d have to take a circle with a diameter from roughly Ulaanbatar to Makassar, and draw it.
