Look at the lines of Military families having to stand in line to receive food. Federal workers and the military aren’t getting paid because of the MAGA shutdown which happened because Republicans are afraid the Epstein files will get released.

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    Reminder that the shutdown is happening because Republicans want to take away our healthcare. Both sides of this are their fault.

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    Boy, this whole shutdown and all it’s causing is doing the opposite of what the goal was - to forget about those Epstein files. There must REALLY be something they don’t want us to see. This makes the Streisand effect pale in comparison.

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    Are these the communist breadlines millennials were warned “woke socialism” would bring about all their lives? Great job Trump! Mao would be proud!

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    Not keeping those specific bellies full is a tad risky business… This makes me rethink all the theories I read lately about trump’s 5D chess starvation plans honestly.

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        I’m not sure we can generalize about people who enlisted after 2016, but is there a point to that cutoff? A lot of people have been in the military since before 2016.

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        People enlist for a variety of reasons. I don’t think that who the current president is typically has much impact on those decisions.

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      Of course they will. Looking to the security industrial complex for salvation is extremely foolish. These people are there because this is what they want.

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    Chuck Schumer already caved so it looks like the health insurance rates will go up in December. Also, the Democrats don’t want the Epstein files “released” either, and you’ll see, when they get the chance, they’ll deliberately fuck it up.

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    I don’t understand… Who cares about the military? They will shoot you down if given the order. Those sweet innocent starving people will literally murder you in the street if they’re told to.

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      Absolute shit take. The vast majority of enlisted members joined because they had no other opportunities. Kids, literal children who couldn’t afford college without a scholarship, or maybe wanted to be a pilot and couldn’t afford training. Immigrants who would risk their lives just to fast track citizenship.

      Not to mention that’s fucking Nellis AFB, aka Area 51. Those are engineers, scientists, mechanics, test pilots, and probably a bunch of desk jockeys. None of those people joined the military to murder people.

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        And yet every single one of them will. If they don’t, they will lose all that stuff they went in for. They will go to jail. They will be dishonorably discharged.

        None of those people will ever risk that.

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          If they do, and the Fascists lose, they lose all of it too. It’s an illegal order to perform an illegal action, so they’re legally obligated not to obey. Yes, they’ll be arrested (if they as a group don’t “override” their CO and bounce after). They’ll then be tried and possibly dishonorably discharged. If the Fascists lose though, they’ll quite possibly be executed, or at least held for life, if they follow the order. It’s a gamble either way, and hopefully they side with their conscience.

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            It’s pretty unlikely. Because, it would take a significant number of them to go against their Superiors. Even if they get 50%, there’s still another 50% who are going to fight against them. The best case scenario is it’s all out war within the military. Of course, the poor citizens around them will be taking bullets.

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        Threat is subjective, that’s the problem. Some people don’t see the s threat. Some people, the bloodthirsty, boot licking kind who signed up for the military most definitely do not see any kind of problem.

        This is never going to be one of those situations where people in the military band together and save the country from evil. This isn’t a movie. Those people will literally mow down their neighbor without batting an eye if they can get a few extra slices of bread. Every last person who has ever touched the military service is the bottom of humanity.

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          Do you know anything about the military?

          One of the biggest draws for people is the paycheck, a lot see military service as a way out of poverty. It’s like one of their main points for recruitment…

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            Right, exactly. The paycheck is not just this week the paycheck is Mortgage rates, Interest rate rates on loans, Education funding,etc.

            They will never give that up. They will mow down parking lots of people for that mortgage rate, especially now that Trump is screaming about 50 year mortgages

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            OK, feel free to give me instructions on how I can leverage it. Meanwhile I’m working on emigration, fuck this place.

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                The oath… to protect against antifa? The vague threat? Cause that’s what it’s gonna be sold to them as. How many bodies does it take for the military to do what they should? In my opinion, we have already passed that point… I feel everybody has chosen their sides.

                I think it’s probably best that I don’t speak to some mentally ill jarhead. I’m liable to get shot— which would not surprise me in the least.

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          It sounds like the only military personnel you’ve seen are in movies. The vast majority are not bloodthirsty. Most aren’t even bootlickers. They’re doing it because it’s a good opportunity to get out of a shitty spot.

          You need to just shut the fuck up. You don’t know anything and you’re just making things worse. If you want to win whatever comes next (election, war, etc.) then you need allies. A lot of those allies will be military personnel. If you can’t deal with that then you aren’t a useful ally. Alienating people based on some stupid idiology you hold that you have tested is the dumbest thing I’ve seen.

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            Oh please. The military always fall in line. They won’t risk their lives or their pension by stepping out of line.

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              They don’t though. If they did then no one ever would have been court martialed.

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                Can you name a time in US history when the military as a whole rose up against the Federal Government?

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                  No. And there’s also never been a large reason to. Military coups normally don’t happen multiple times in the same nation, but to imply they can only happen if it’s happened before would be to say they never happen, which is obviously wrong.

                  There have been many cases of service members standing up though. You’re saying they’re all bad, but that would be ignoring those people.

                  The fact of the matter is you’re ignorant, but you’re also weaponizing your ignorance to hate people that you don’t understand. That’s called bigotry. I don’t handle bigots well.

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      I live in a heavy military area. My dad was stationed in the area before retiring, and I’ve been here since. Honestly, most of the enlisted people I’ve met are great people. They’re usually just regular working class people trying to get a better life through the benefits the military provides. I’d trust them most of the time. They usually aren’t there because they’re violent assholes seeking power.

      The police? Yeah, I don’t trust them at all. Most of them did it because they want power over their fellow citizens. They joined to have authority. They’ll shoot you for calling them a bad name without needing to be ordered to.

      If we want any hope changing things then we need allies. A lot of those people will need to be from the military. Stop making enemies. Make friends. We have enough enemies without alienating people who otherwise agree with us.

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        Imagine the number of military personnel it would require to overthrow the government. The percentage of cooperation within the military. All the branches of the military. Do you Seriously think that kind of coordination is going to happen in this country?

        There will be no revolution. The United States is a lobster boiling in a pot. When the lobster is dead, the rich will eat it and move on. This is the only reality that Ddoesn’t require wild speculation, because it’s happening every day

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          Imagine the number of military personnel it would require to overthrow the government. The percentage of cooperation within the military. All the branches of the military. Do you Seriously think that kind of coordination is going to happen in this country?

          You’re implying that the coordination is going to happen to overthrow our government though. Them siding with the Fascists to overthrow our government requires the exact same coordination as them going against it. If they can’t coordinate then they can’t coordinate. You can’t magically say it only works when they’re working with the Fascists but that it’s impossible when they work against it.

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            I do not believe there will be any large scale coordination. I believe we are a lobster in a pot. Our rights will slowly be removed one by one. Within a year, martial law will be declared, and the government will essentially be a legal dictatorship. Still, no one will do anything as long as they can get their Starbucks. The military will, under no circumstances, fight against the Trump administration.

            It’s not important for me that you believe me, So do or do not.

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              You might be right. However, that’s not what you said. You made all military personnel into enemies. How about you don’t fucking do that. You want them to fight back? Make them welcome. If you make them enemies then they’re going to be enemies. If you allow them to be allies then they may be.

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                Well, when the military enforces martial law, will they be the good guys?

                This is a yes or no question.

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                  I’m not afraid to answer questions like you are. The answer is no. The military isn’t a person though. You’re making a hypothetical, assuming it’s reality, and also attributing all actions of people in the military to it before it even happens. How about you grow the fuck up. The world isn’t black and white.