So many of these things just seem incredibly bizarre once you’re used to Linux.
Until you do a dist-upgrade and random shit breaks (:
At least that’s usually an honest mistake, instead of some managers trying to juice their numbers through dark patterns.
Unless, of course, you’re using Ubuntu. Then it might also be a manager trying to juice their numbers.
I do a yay (sudo pacman -Syu, under the hood) every two weeks or so and shit don’t break. Dunno what weird program dependencies y’all have for stuff to break so often.
In any case, if shit broke, I have snapshots of the last 5 days and last 5 upgrades. It’s automatic, not rocket science.
Dude, Arch is a rolling release, it has no dist-upgrade equivalent. You’re not even in the right conversation.
Debian, Ubuntu, … and plenty of other distros have. Just upgrading my server from Ubuntu 22 to 24 (both LTS) took an hour or two of fixing things.
Then … don’t do that?
Is there something that 24 had and 22 didn’t and you just had to have that feature? If not, just stick with 22.
Or if you’re one of those who just has to have the latest of everything, you should be on a rolling release distro instead, and you won’t have this issue.
You are the one that introduced a non rolling release distro in a generic Linux chain. It was generic Linux, then you did a comment specific to non rolling distros, then I did one specific to rolling distros.
I wanted to highlight the disparity of the general perception that rolling distros are annoying since they might break sometimes, with the reality that non rolling distros definitely break shit when upgrading versions.
I don’t see a problem with our comment exchange.
the general perception that rolling distros are annoying since they might break sometimes, with the reality that non rolling distros definitely break shit when upgrading versions.
Personally, I still prefer the non-rolling distros.
A rolling distro might break on any update, and you never know when.
But for non-rolling, you can wait until you have available time to deal with any issues. Sure there will be issues and things that need reconfiguring – you basically just reinstalled your whole OS. But you can choose when and if that happens, so you can schedule it for a convenient time when you’ve got time and energy to work on it if necessary.
(And, personally, I wouldn’t do the dist-upgrade thing at all. I just download the newest LTS version and install it as a fresh install, then port everything important over from backups. Nice fresh start with no old baggage hanging around. Often, I’d do that at the same time as a major hardware upgrade as well, so it’s basically a new PC.)
And that exact reason is why I use a distro with rolling updates
Last time I had an upgrade break my system was Windows ME
shit distro
I’m deeply sorry. If it’s any consolation, it will eventually happen to everybody.
Or at least everybody that didn’t see the light and adopt The Penguin… But let’s leave religion to another time.
BTW, Arch is awesome.
( actually, i use Manjaro. but it’s based on arch. so that still counts, right?)
so that still counts, right?
Still counts. You now have to say you use arch every hour, otherwise you’ll implode.
Wait…does this apply to all Arch based distros? If so I haven’t been talking about it nearly enough.
And if you own a Steam Deck, you’re an Arch user. I don’t make the rules.
please don’t go any further without mentioning you use arch, it can be dangerous!!!
I noticed this while I was using arch, btw.
Well I do use Arch
and you look marvelous! btw
NGL kinda want to use arch just so I can say I use it. I feel left out.
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I chose the distro for the meme, nothing else.
Well, at least I don’t have to talk about it as much as I have to update the dang thing.
manjaro has had a lot of drama and problems in the past and i don’t think it’s really a good distro to use. they forgot to renew their ssl certificate multiple times, they break software due to their weird update strategy (they use custom repos which hold back updates mostly arbitrarily for a week) which breaks dependencies and sometimes breaks the entire system, and their gui package manager once overwhelmed the AUR with traffic.
a better alternative with an easy gui installer would be endeavouros or cachyos. endeavour is basically manjaro except competent and with regular arch packages. cachy has its own repos (in order to build specialized versions of packages), but it keeps in sync with the regular arch repos.
though of course if manjaro is working for you that’s great and any amount of linux use is good. manjaro is just a bit temperamental. i also understand that some people can’t just distrohop, for example because they don’t have a separate home partition, or not enough space to copy important files elsewhere before wiping their partitions.
As a end user I definitely wouldn’t recommend Manjaro right now, especially with the current organization drama right now, Manjaro’s 2.0 manifesto. After they restructure themselves, it might come out as a more interesting distro, but for now it’s best to steer clear.
No, it doesn’t count. You only get BTW privileges after installing Arch at least once.
Oh did they renew their ssl certs so their repos work now?
Lol I cannot understand how anyone can trust those idiots at this point.
False. My machine officially isn’t upgradeable to W11 cause it’s too old. Also, it’s possible that LTSC doesn’t even suggest to upgrade.
Isn’t ltsc frozen in features with only security updates or something?
Yeah, that’s what I meant with my second sentence, I’m just not 100% sure there’s no upgrade path.
Don’t leave us hanging. What distro?
Hannah Montana
Half a dozen of them have real cost/benefits trade-offs that make preaching for a single one harmful. The other thousand are just completely useless waste of time not worth mentioning.
BSD BSD BSD. read that in a chant of course.
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+1 massgrave. Got the extended support for my regular W10 pro. After that, it’s going to be debian if - fingers crossed - nothing breaks. It’s a 6700K build.
It’s a 6700K build.
That’s hot, are you sure you hooked up the fans?
That’s just the RGBW LED color temperature.
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Pro tip: If you must use Windows, pick lobotomy
As a certified lobotomite, one and the same.
I put Windows 11 on it’s own hard drive, so it couldn’t corrupt the rest of the system.
For an additional layer of security, throw the hard drive into a deep lake.
Of magma or plasma, whichever is most convenient.
Or you could just install linux.
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I can understand that point. But putting more effort into making windows half normal and kinda usable seems like wasting time, Its an uphill battle that you are loosing anyway at some point.
Sometimes linux is just not possible with the hardware :(
I tried my best, but neither my SP7’s touch screen or pen functionality work properly with linux (even with the linux-surface-kernel). And there’s still no good alternatives for SPs in the market either, for tablet+computer+works properly for art (at least any I could ever afford)
That sucks :(
The Framework 12 actually seems really ideal for this, being that it has a 360 degree hinge and works properly with Linux.
It’s also expensive as fuck, but then, you can repair and upgrade it, and I’ve heard Surface tablets are an absolutely miserable experience to try repairing. So up to you if the upfront cost is worth less pain down the road.
I don’t think the pen input sensitivity/features on it is suitable for pro-level artists, but I might be wrong.
see my other comment, the framework includes “MPP 2.0 and USI 2.0 stylus support”, so it should be able to use other pens it if the one they sell isn’t to your liking.
Still not there for art, sadly. For example their pen has only half of the pressure sensitivity SPs better pens have :(
The Framework 12 lists “MPP 2.0 and USI 2.0 stylus support”, so you can use other pens with it, I think. Your stylus won’t be repairable, but perhaps if you complain at Framework loudly enough they might eventually release a higher quality stylus themselves.
If it’s a limitation of the machine’s hardware/the protocol they support, complain at them for that instead. I’m not an artist so I don’t actually find myself needing/using a pen often, thus I don’t know whether that means it has good or bad pen support, but it certainly sounds like it supports SPs.
I like you.
I’m as much a nerd as the next, but I also play a lot of different games, with a lot of different people on different platforms, and that’s not feasible (yet) on anything other than windows.
I hate it, but it is what it is.
“If you must use Windows”
But how will I sub to billionaire domsss??? This is blasphemy! Burn the witch!!!
thats my setup, thats the most tolerable version ATM
“Your system does not support Windows 11”.
Best error message I ever got!
Or, windows 11 doesnt support my system. Not my problem.
Its actually interesting how they phrased it so that our systems are the problem and not their product.
You’re goddamn right!
+1 for using “You’re”
Damn, that never happens on my Arch Linux install.
I’ve also never once been prompted to install Win11 on Neon
Is neon actually good?
Well, it doesn’t prompt you to install Windows 11, so that’s definitely a plus.
That bar is so low, you’d need professional tunnelling equipment to not clear it
And yet, the most used OS in the world doesn’t clear it.
Actually, I think that’s windows 11. Though despite it never trying to get you to install win 11, it’s still worse than the one that does.
Well, Microslop are the ones that buried it in the first place. I imagine they’ll have hired some construction company to dig the trench to lay it.
Yeah it’s good.
It’s Ubuntu LTE with the latest released KDE on top of it.
Works very well for me. But I’m a KDE fan.
I dual boot windows because of a few things that don’t matter too much to me, and i haven’t really figured out wine as much as i should. Anyway, i booted up windows again after like 5 months. I hated every second of it, but overall, nothing of note happened. The next day, i had to boot windows again, and when i shut it down, it gave me the option to update and reboot or update and shut down, nothing else. I should’ve just unplugged my pc, but I updated and shut it down and left my room. When i came back a few hours later, my pc was stuck in a reboot loop and i couldn’t really boot anything. Just fuck everything about windows.
If you dual boot, you need to keep the windows partition on a separate disk, otherwise it will most likely fuck your boot partition.
Honestly disconnect all other disks when installing it too. Otherwise you move your Linux disk to another computer and Windows might not boot because it decided to use the efi partition on your Linux disk
In 20 years of using Linux, I’ve only had a broken Linux four times. Four of those times, it was because of Windows being shit.
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I would honestly suggest using Lutris or Bottles as a convenient interface for Wine, rather than trying to figure out Wine itself.
Lots of convenient features and pretty turnkey, depending on what you’re trying to install.
I set up a “Bottles” setup for older 90’s-00’s games and, know what? Sims 1 ran perfectly. Was mind blowing. (Notoriously difficult to run on modern windows)
Hope that is somewhat encouraging!
My boss at work told it to download thinking that he would have a choice to install in when he wanted. Now he understands what a virus is.
Thank god it requires enabling something my BIOS has disabled by default and I don’t need it for anything, otherwise my install of 10 would have already been turned into 11 on its own.
My BlueIris Server: Press any key to install windows 11 Me: ehh fine, i don’t ever touch that box, Click My BlueIris Server: Sorry you computer doesn’t support windows 11, you should replace…
One day Frigate, one day, but today is not your day.
I have to use it, it’s the corporate setup. Every day I envy plumbers who unclog toilets.
Come for the pay, stay for the food.
great opportunity to try out bazzite or cachyos :P
Cachyos is top tier as a long time LTSC w10 guy.
yeah, after switching i found rolling release upstream arch derivatives (namely endeavor and cachy) to be the least confusing ones to work with on a pc
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You misspelled Microslop
ZorinOS is nice to Windows users if you want ui similarity
I installed Zorin on a second hand thinkcentre yesterday to test out, and I really like it. I use Mint on my laptop, and I’m pretty satisfied with that. I’m evaluating both of them as a permanent replacement for windows 11 on my main PC and it’s down to those two.
My son tried it after avoiding Linux for months. He didn’t like Zorin and eventually settled on CachyOS.
A man of taste.
More like a downgrade
That happened to me, but I’m happy with CachyOS now for most things. I can’t believe how much it a step down 11 was from 10 though, it was astounding. Worse than 7 to 8, even.
Really pissed because about a year ago in february it upgraded without my informed consent and I never noticed until something else bad happened. You can only downgrade if you notice within a week.
It’s real fuckin insidious, I had already reformatted my PC once too recently so I juuuust kinda toughed it out.
Anyways, they keep everything same-ish which prevents you from noticing they changed your whole OS which should be illegal.
