Yet another Microslop moment
Doubly so this is why I fear for the future of Linux dev if AI generated development is the future.
Today on Microslop…
Genuine question: how the hell does this keep happening? Don’t they have any quality control, any testing, competent management, quality engineers, years of experience, or anything at all?
They fired their QA department in 2015 relying on telemetry of users to diagnose issues. Then last year they boasted a third of all their code is AI generated. You don’t have millions of lines of code over 2+ decades and have a high quality standard of a third of that was generated in 2 years.
They merged their QA department with Bethesda, raising the head count to 0.
I wager the “third of code is AI generated” was perhaps a twist of the truth to advertise for AI in general.
That said, an OS on AI generated code is not a good thing, and it shows regardless of what % is actually AI generated.
Well now Idk about that…it’s assumedly trained on the entire Microsoft archive of code. Probably also trained on everything in GitHub, too.
I wouldn’t doubt an LLM’s ability to churn out lots of lines of code and add-on half the original LOC’s in random Windows Crap.
Also, have you seen Windows 11? Damn near unrecognizable from Windows 10 20H2, let alone 1507. And a lot of that is absolute crap updates like hiding the original legacy tools and putting in worthless apps that look nice but can’t do half the crap that they could before (looking at you,
ncpa.cpl)…but at least the original tools are just “hidden”, not removed. Yet.I will say, I do like PowerShell lately. Probably more than bash (as in, all other things equal, I can either turn on a Windows PC to write a shell script, or a Linux PC to write a shell script, to do the same thing…the only reason I’d prefer bash would be because I wouldn’t have to use Windows…). Not as much as Python, but that’s kinda apples/oranges.
Easy work. Me and my Bazzite instance will keep on trucking.
I had ONE bad update… good thing Bazzite keeps a backup. Never figured out what went wrong. Now, the Firefox bug is my nemesis. Every time it loads I go from 10Gb free to ZERO in about 10 minutes. Chromium… works. That’s all I’ll say about that program.
LOL
Oh, Microslop… How far you have sunk.
Fuck Windows. 2026 truly is the year of Linux. Finally!
Hell yeah made the move myself at the end of last year and am loving it
skip windows
“Just works,” eh?
Windows “just works” the way Microsoft wants you to just work it.
macOS is the same way, but they also haven’t made stupid sweeping changes that break decades of muscle memory, solely for aesthetic purposes…Like whatever the fuck they call paintbrush now, taking away the Alt+F and Ctrl+S keyboard shortcuts. Ugh.
That’s why I like Linux, really. It feels kinda…idk…hostile(?)…using Windows lately. Like there’s a tension in the air between me and my computer. As in, Linux behaves the way I tell it to behave. It knows the rules and so do I. The computer is subservient to me. Windows (and macOS…but to a lesser extent, because I’m not nearly as strong in it as I am the other two) act like they are in charge.
And even if I don’t want to customize it, there’s a thousand different OOBE’s out there for Linux, surely one will work the way that I want it to.
Gnome is a great example. The Meta+LeftClick+Drag operation for moving windows, and Meta+MiddleClick+Drag for resizing? Chef’s kiss. Lot’s of DE’s incorporate some variant of that now. Workspace view (or whatever it is called you get when you press Meta in Gnome) is another feature sorely missing from Windows.
Get used to using that and then go back to Windows.
Hell even Tiling WM’s. How long did it take Windows to get (modern) tiling, and how ass-poor is it? Seriously, Hyprland (at least on CachyOS) has got to be the absolute slickest out-of-the-box-experience I’ve had with a DE. Tiling in Windows feels like it hasn’t seen an improvement since probably Windows 3.1…and even in 11, it’s only halfway decent if you install PowerToys.
It blows my mind that Windows is the default OS for general business/productivity tasks. Absolutely the worst of the (major) three in every aspect of productivity.
My magic desk rocks should not be telling ME what to do. I should tell THEM to delete my root partition.
Haven’t quite done that yet, but i did need to reinstall arch about 3 times before i got it right. About 5 years with no 15 minute+ issues thus far.
I’ve done that, and thensome…
It was literally my first foray into Linux, circa 1997, I think…I was definitely in middle school, maybe 7th grade.
I’d just gotten my RedHat CD in the mail from some website I had found that accepted COD and charged scantly more than the cost of time & materials to produce.
I installed it on my PC alongside windows and learned how to use fstab to mount my Windows Partition automatically when I boot into it! Sweet! Next I wanted to figure out how to start X-Windows and couldn’t find instructions in the Linux book I’d gotten from the library.
Naturally I booted into Windows, hopped on EFnet #Linux, and asked in there. One guy answered me and I wrote it down so I could boot into Linux and try it out.
I should also add that at this point in time, I had not yet learned about the value of not using root for everything.
Once in Linux, I typed it out…
rm -rf /. Logged in as root. Windows partition automatically mounted. Seems to be taking a lot longer than I thought it would…maybe I can see what thermcommand says in the book?Oh…Oh no…
(The correct answer was
startx.startx.)I will say that I’ve distrohopped quite a bit and it was just this past week that I decided to try out CachyOS (and Hyprland), after being very well settled into Fedora…and the installation was probably the most difficult of any I’d done recently, but that was almost entirely on me…I’ve used Arch-based distros before, I’ve used calamares before…this was different. It was because I wanted to preserve my old /var partition, or at least my /var/lib/libvirt…and the installer kept freaking out about it. Ultimately I ended up just deleting everything except /var/lib/libvirt out of the partition before running the installer and it went fine. The time prior to that, I thought I’d try Cachy in a VM, and it refused to install several times. I think that actually might’ve just been my computer’s first signs that I had a failing stick of RAM, because it wasn’t long after that that the whole system started to decline…
Gotta love that AI generated, reviewed, and shipped code.
Just when I thought Windows couldn’t get worse.
And users are the QA department.
skip microsoft altogether
Just switch to Linux guys, stop being abused.
Thanks for the heads-up, I’ll be sure to not update my OpenSUSE install to Windows 11 👍
Other than “at gunpoint,” why are you still using Windows?
Since joining the fediverse, I’m convinced the biggest deterrence for more people joining Linux are its users.
True, People can be obnoxious. But you should still try it at some point, there is something to the hype.
I have tried it, and I had more issues with my previous laptop on Mint than I have currently on Windows. Still I’ll look at it again once I need a new one.
Edit: So I guess in my case the users didn’t deter me, since I wasn’t really interacting with the community at any point. I think it’s probably more of a threadiverse user thing than a Linux user thing. And yeah I can be obnoxious myself, I just don’t expect it to yield results.
I mean you don’t have to wear thigh high socks to use Linux. But they sure do look mighty cozy.
One key thing with switching is knowing you will have trouble with it at first, because it isn’t Windows. You’ve spent probably decades learning Windows. You can’t expect to switch to Linux and automatically understand how it works. Be prepared to learn. Don’t expect it to be Windows. Unless your problems were crashes or hardware failing, it’s probably just that you didn’t have experience with it, and that needs to be ok.
I have a 60TB disk pool with DrivePool software and have no place to put my data and create a Linux based pool. I have to wait until I can afford a new 20TB disk as a temp storage.
Unless there is an easy way to convert a DrivePool to mergerfs etc.
How much data do you have, and are the drives identical? Usually I do in-place conversions by taking some drives offline, creating a degraded raid on them, migrating the data, then wiping the remaining drives and bringing them online in the new raid.
Works for zfs pools too, but you can’t create a pool with missing drives, you have to create a temporary block device then mark it offline, then replace it with the real drive once it’s free.
Heh wow its been awhile since I checked my storage. Lol I forgot I added a bunch last year. Its actually at 116TB now with 13 free.
Wow! I thought my NAS was loaded, but good lord. What are you storing?
Linux ISOs 🏴☠️
I run my family’s Streaming Service.
Me too, but my library must not be nearly as impressive.
Some of the more high quality 4k releases (even 1080p ones) just gobbles up storage. I had to settle for the more optimized releases since I just have a 8tb external drive. Wanted to build a nas but man they are expensive, both a good nas and even the basic hard disks. Can’t wait for the bubble to pop.
Those are rookie numbers.
Yeah good luck migrating that. Maybe if you’ve still got the torrents in your client, you could just delete and redownload some.
Unless there is an easy way to convert a DrivePool to mergerfs etc.
If I understood right, it’s just software joining together multiple NTFS drives. When you open in another os it’s just a normal NTFS drive
You could take two drives and create a raid1 (right? Or yolo without redundancy?) btrfs array. Move stuff from one drive, when it’s empty, format it as btrfs and add it to the array. Repeat for every drive.
But…
With this much data I wouldn’t risk if you don’t have experience with btrfs via cli
there is an automatic cutting device used to make crafts projects and the only way to run it is with its manufacturer’s software which only runs on windows
I tried to get it to work on Linux and had mixed success just getting it to start, but it failed miswrably at trying to communicate over the USB connection to the device no matter what I did
the only thing that worked was running a windows VM with VirtualBox and that got the connection to work but the experience of operating it became poor so until that device dies or the app gets Linux support (neither happening soon) at least one machine must be windows, and right now getting another PC is prohibitively expensive
Dual boot . You can install most distros non destructively side by side in your current partition. Ubuntu even makes it point and click on install.
I tried installing Linux but something went wrong and it didn’t work.
I know better than to ask for basic computer help in a Linux community.
The Linux community seems to me more open than ever before. Possibly due to the influx of new users who’s job is not to administer Linux systems.
I wouldn’t be too afraid to ask questions. Linux systems are nowadays quite simple to setup and you shouldn’t have much problems with getting a simple question replied to.
All it takes is one asshole during the trial phase to turn someone off from the community entirely. Especially a non-technical person trying to come from something like Windows. And there are a lot of vocal ones across the various Linux communities. Especially in the discussions on GitHub, which is where you end up for support on nearly every piece of software not from a massive corporation, unless it’s a simple solution or a very common issue.
The number of times I have posted looking for assistance with an issue, or a small suggestion, and gotten some variant of “fix it (or add it) yourself, it’s FOSS” over the last couple years is a bit ridiculous.
Most of the community is great and super helpful. But the assholes are prevalent and very vocal.
Ehh, I have not found much help in the communities. You get couple answers shrugging, and nobody knows how to help you. I would also rather just read from a wiki, or something, since human interactions are so exhausting even online to this autistic idiot, but then I lack the technical knowledge (and language terms) to understand what I am even looking for in there.
In the end that lead me troubleshooting (and fixing) the problem using AI - which is kind of fucked up somehow, I would rather not. But a totally non-linux-understanding person could not have done that either, since it still required quite a bit of knowledge, to understand which terminal commands were correct, and would do even close to, what was claimed.
Hey man, I frequently post to selfhost and I get nervous everytime thinking someone is gonna berate me, only to be met with support and guidance. I’d give it a try again, and if you encounter issues then post in the Linux comm, Selfhost, or even a more general place like asklemmy.
If someone’s an asshole, ignore them, cause they’re a sad excuse of a human being.
Try sticking with a simple distro like Mint, Fedora (Silverblue and Bazzite work too), or even Zorin.
Do you know what specifically went wrong?
I was trying to do a cinnamon VB, which apparently is not the way to start. I don’t really have a second computer to convert, which is the issue.
don’t give up :)
at first i tried to get Bazzite (didn’t even install), then Mint (apparently it doesn’t work well on dual monitors), and what finally worked was CachyOS, and i’ve been cruising on it for a few months now
Mint works on dual monitors… I had it running fine on 4, one of which is an ultra wide (X11 can be a bit flaky about different sized monitors, but other than occasional oddity, it didn’t cause me issues)
after i complained about it not working well for me and asked if there is something i’m missing that’d magically fix it (like maybe some special drivers) i mentioned i have dual monitors and someone told me mint is not made for that :') so i moved on
I’ve always used it as my primary driver, so I know very well how to get the most out of it and customize it to my standards. Some of the software I use has no acceptable replacement on other OS. I don’t experience even a fraction of the problems that are reported online.
And you are entirely unbothered by the invasion of privacy?
It’s a bother but it can be limited somewhat via toggles and DNS blocking.
Not all of us just use our computers as a hobby, I don’t have the time to figure out Linux and make things run in wine or proton, and fixing things that break from updating that software is annoying.
Not all of us just use our computers as a hobby, I don’t have the time to figure out Linux and make things run in wine or proton, and fixing things that break from updating that software is annoying.
That’s funny, not having time to deal with shit (like stopping Windows from spying, serving ads, and otherwise abusing me) is exactly why I use Linux.
Unlike Windows, Linux ‘just works.’
That takes a few minutes, it’s not like Linux doesn’t have stuff I’ve gotta spend time to fix too.
The majority of the time you just click play in steam, heroic, or whatever. It’s no worse than windows.
I don’t do any tinkering on my desktop.
Majority yeah but the stuff that doesn’t work can be a serious time sink to fix.
This is true on Windows too
Not really; usually when something doesn’t work as you like on Windows youre SOL…
It can be, but I never really run into any issues. Part of it is I’m more familiar with windows than linux I’m sure.
My linux desktop experience hasn’t been as good, I run it on my laptop since that’s more just a web browsing device than anything and it’s not critical if it breaks. The last 2 times I’ve updated Fedora it has broken the bootloader and that took me quite awhile to fix, I can’t figure out why it keeps happening as it’s a really standard install and doesn’t make any sense.
I also still can’t get HW acceleration working in any browsers, flatpak or directly installed, which has been extremely frustrating since I’ve never had to do anything on windows for it to work. There are no clear guides with one fix either, and it’s not something I should have to be fixing myself, it should work out of the box.
Yup
Yeah, for me windows just works although with a few annoying nags but not enough to make the effort to switch feel worth it. I was going to buy some new drives to make the switch easy but then prices skyrocketed and I don’t want to pay those prices.
Pretty much use it only for the web and games through steam, which is probably the reason for not running into issues.
Heavily modded Skyrim
Pirated games and modded games
I’ve never had issues with games from gog on Linux. I played new games like cyberpunk and older games like heroes of might and magic 4. I’ve played modded mount and blade bannerlords, the Japanese mod, no crashes or such. I played pirated uncharted 4 without issues as well. My point is, if this is truly the only reason you’re still on Windows, I think you should give it a try. I haven’t looked back for a second
You can pirate and mod games on Linux no worries. I pirated WWE 2k25, and I’ve modded both Minecraft and Kerbal space program.
You can but it’s not no worries, especially repacks.
I use it for work (AD admin, kind of have to unless I want to change careers while I’m halfway to retirement), and at home I use it for a machine that’s dedicated to running simulator games (I can get the peripherals to work in Linux for the most part, but a lot of the setup for them is Windows only and since it’s only used for that, I’m currently just sucking it up there… Though I’ll need to keep something around even if I switch that system since some of them can only be programmed via Windows, like my VKB flight sticks)
I’m hesitant to leave 10 because there are a few games I play that don’t support Linux, and I like em too much to quit if 10 still works. However, once support officially ends forreal, I will say goodbye to those games o7 11 will never touch my outers.
At work tho they had to upgrade to 11 in the office, and since it’s retail the office isn’t really that important but 11 is so poorly designed the computers barely run anymore
I’m also curious what games you’re talking about. Most work even without official support. The games that don’t are multiplayer where the AC specifically blocks Linux, which are basically just EA games and Chinese games.
One interesting thing I’ve found is that legacy windows support is better on Linux through WINE/Proton than on Windows. Old games are more likely to be runnable on Linux than Windows.
Specifically Destiny 2, as it’s been my vice since 2019. But given that Sony absolutely gutted the staff working on it, I’m really just trying to tie up loose ends with achivements n the like before moving on.
Yeah, ones like D2 where the developer is actively hostile towards Linux to the point of banning people who manage to get it to run is going to be “use Windows or play something else”, unfortunately
Which games, out of curiosity?
Have you tried using Proton to run them? It’s super easy to set up through Steam if you have the exes.
Just that first thing
I have a surface pro x I bought during the pandemic that I plan on use until it’s physically broken (software-wise, you may as well say it already is busted) just to watch YouTube and browse the web on the sofa.
Otherwise, I haven’t had to use Windows on my desktop in a year or so ever since switching to Linux. Hooray.
Legacy windows projects development. I switched to Linux and run windows as virtual guest with minimal usage though.
Ancient Nvidia GPU (GT1030), I tried but I can’t really be bothered to spend another week scouring forums to find kernel options and drivers to hope that the specific combination will stop making the taskbar blink or something
i’ll get downvoted for this but I don’t care. I was on linux for years and this past week I switched back to Windows on my secondary drive. I still daily drive OpenBSD.
to be blunt I switched back because of the linux community. I got tired of it. the constant in-fighting, the near daily drama, the elitist mentality especially on support forums or chat channels, people leaving projects for one reason or another, the advocacy for FOSS but as soon as someone with a lot of money and questionable ethics starts handing it out then political opinions quickly start changing. Suddenly getting 10mil from a facist “isn’t so bad and helps Linux”. With Windows at least I know who I’m getting in bed with.
And as far as Windows being horrible…I don’t see it. I’ve been back on it for a solid week or two now after several years away and I just haven’t experienced what was constantly shoved down my throat from the Linux Community about how bad it is. I don’t have onedrive, i’m not being hounded to set it up, i don’t see it. I don’t have copilot, I don’t have AI, hell I don’t even have any ads in my start menu. where is it all? Things work. The boot time is faster than any Linux distro I previously used. zero driver issues, things work and believe it or not the games I play now perform better on windows. It’s like I was drinking the kool-aid about how bad windows is when currently I don’t see it. I haven’t even been hounded to update anything yet. It’s got winget and scoop now so I can install stuff on this thing just like I would with any Linux package manager. I don’t have to deal with protons or any of that.
I will say though maybe it’s a hardware thing. When I had an ASUS Rog Strix laptop it was a miserable experience on Windows and on Linux it was better. On my Thinkpad it’s the opposite. and on OpenBSD my Thinkpad absolutely swims.
Don’t get me wrong I still like Linux, I just don’t like what surrounds it. I’ll probably go back in a year or two but right now Windows works for me and works well. for my dev work OpenBSD is perfect, it stays out of my way. All my stuff works on that, all my stuff works on Windows. But frankly the Linux community being so divided and clearly consuming the kool-aid opened my eyes and turned me off from it. I just no longer can take what linux users say about other operating systems seriously when I’m just not currently experiencing any of that with OpenBSD and Windows.
That’s why I’m on Windows.
I don’t have onedrive, i’m not being hounded to set it up, i don’t see it. I don’t have copilot, I don’t have AI, hell I don’t even have any ads in my start menu.
I’m not a Linux cultist but come on. You know it took a lot of configuration from the defaults to get there. Or are you running some special LTSC Win11?
it literally took nothing. turned everything off on setup and that’s it. I don’t see one drive anywhere on the taskbar. there’s no pop ups, nothing. It is literally no where on my system. look for yourself:
Are you in the US? Because there was no way to disable Onedrive during install when I last installed Win11 about a year ago. This is Win11 Pro.
I’m in Canada. I’m on the preview build for September. I don’t have one drive, don’t have ads, don’t have copilot. so shrug Don’t know what to tell you but my windows experience thus far as been great.
Powershell : Get-package *One*
Looks like a rage bait
Need Adobe software for work. Want to play online games that have anti-cheat. Also like to run mods in my games.
I have a shitty old laptop for travelling that I’ll try to install Linux on this weekend, since I only need Firefox on that.
is the software enforced by your work or is it what you feel the most comfortable using? because honestly i’m not missing photoshop as much as i thought i would, krita has most of my uses covered, and for photography i use darktable
Not enforced by my work, but Photoshop is honestly the least painful to replace. I’m having a lot more trouble finding fully featured alternative to InDesign and Illustrator. Scribus looks pretty rough and Inkscape has an unintuitive UI and no proper CMYK support.
ahhh, vector graphics, i dabble sometimes but not enough to recommend any alternatives. well, i hope you keep an eye out for new software/updates, being free of adobe feels amazing
For gaming, until the instant I can run SteamOS on my rig
SteamOS isn’t magic, you know. Other distros already work just fine right now.
None of the big ones have matched Win11 performance on my machine, or even come close enough to justify switching. I’m hoping that SteamOS’ planned Nvidia support, which reportedly is being developed with some degree of collaboration with Nvidia, will move that needle.
If you are noticing a big discrepancy between proton and windows across many games then there’s something wrong with your setup. On average proton seems to out perform windows if all of those news articles are to be believed, at least it should be on par anyway. If you are actually serious about switching then try debugging or just try a different distro like cachy.
Just like any other compute workload, performance is going to vary significantly by game and by hardware setup. Generally AMD hardware does see good improvements in Proton, while Intel + Nvidia is more of a mixed bag, and there’s plenty of reporting out there on slowdowns when switching over. I’ve invested real time in this—tried Cachy, Bazzite, Nobara, mucked around with drivers, proton distributions, launch options, all that. As much as I’d love to report Linux has blown me away here, that’s just not the case. The ecosystem keeps improving and I’ll keep trying because I fucking despise Windows, but at the end of the day I’m rolling with what works.
I bought my pc before nvidia was trash and so that’s the card I’m stuck with. Do any Linux work well with nvidia cards yet?
I never had an issue with a GTX 1660 Ti on Arch. It’s been 5 years.
Older cards (in my case, the 970 M iirc) are slightly more annoying because Nvidia doesn’t support them anymore. So you can’t just install the generic, up to date, Nvidia driver package. You have to use Nvidia’s website to find the latest driver that supported them, and then install that one through your distro’s package manager.
Afaik, Nvidia supports all cards from the 16xx series upwards in their driver, as of right now.
Having used KDE Plasma 6 on Wayland with an RTX 3080 and an AMD RX 6800, they both work equally well. I can’t attest for other environments.
It just never gets old. Can you say it again?
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today’sWindows11 update: it breaks cursor styling, resets wallpaper, and moreJoke’s on them, I’ve been using Linux for nearly 27 years now.
ditto
Haven’t they said they’re going to cater to complaining user base? That’s like the opposite of that 😬
For the people not using Linux in the comment section, you can’t skip a Windows update. It’s going to happen no matter what.
I mean I guess you can adjust the registry or whatever but 90% of Windows users aren’t going to do any of that.
I could have done it and I didn’t. I updated and now my cursor is all fucked up.
Even registry changes won’t stop their stomping. My final straw was changing the drivers for AMD for the fifth time, despite editing the registry, sending console commands, and exiting settings. MS drivers just bulldozed right over them. I said fuck it, set up another ssd with Bazzite, dual booted, and three months ago converted the Windows drive to a VFAT, after not booting Windows for a full year. I miss Fusion 360, that is all. I do not miss the headaches. Linux took time to setup, time to learn, and time to personalize. I still think it saved me time overall with how few problems arise, however.
It’s an optional update. It doesn’t automatically install without activating the option to do so.
You can pause Windows updates, although I’m not sure I would suggest it because they are usually patching a baotlad of security vulns.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/updates-lifecycle/pause-updates-in-windows
Not defending Microsoft in any way, just pointing out that the option exists. Of course you will get updates once it unpauses, but maybe another CU down the line won’t break shit.
I’ve tried everything it eventually doesn’t update all on its own regardless of you wanting to do it or not. So I just stop trying to fight it.
