Dozens of interviews with people deeply familiar or involved with the election process point to a clear consensus: Not only could Trump make a second attempt at overturning an election he loses, he and his allies are already laying the groundwork.

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    The plan is pretty simple.

    1. Win PA, hold the red states. Trump Wins.

    2. If a red state falls, get it’s leadership to declare a Republican win anyway or refuse to send delegates to the Electoral College. This denies Harris EC votes.

    3. Number 2 may mean neither candidate gets 270 EC votes, in this case a joint session of Congress will decide the election. Unless a miracle happens this will be Trump because they vote by State delegation.

    4. If Harris wins PA and the Rust Belt, go to SCOTUS.

    5. If all else fails, go back to January 6th but with rhetoric meant to make the mob want to occupy the Capitol permanently.

    They’re already trying to get county clerks and election officials to do the job from the inside. Trump even honors them in person at his rallies. So buckle up for a year where election fraud goes big.

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      Number 5 may be part of the plan but it won’t work this time. It only worked last time because Trump himself refused to increase security around the Capitol.

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    Don’t you guys have secret services who have decades of experiencre in overthrowing governments and absuing Institutions abroad? I would think that while the democrats are in charge they would be able to ask those guys what needs to be done to stop this power grab.

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    This kind of article is kinda baitclick because it ignores the elephant in the room… If Trump is running a coup d’etat, what will people in power do? Will they sit there, like they did in 2000? If he’s audacious enough, they won’t. For example, if SCOTUS tries to decide the election (like they did in 2000), I think we would see complete collapse on many levels in many ways.

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      Yeah I’d wager that if trump again organizes a “peace for honest elections” protest, national guard will indeed be used against American citizens, just now how he imagined it

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    WE KNOOOOWWWW. It’s the worst-kept secret in politics. People in other countries are aware. The birds are aware. It’s part and parcel of the experience of fascism. Never underestimate what pure evil is capable of doing.

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        Be ready, especially if you’re on the east coast.

        The rednecks are assuming they’re the only ones with balls and nobody else will stand up to them, like all bullies think.

        Prove them wrong.

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        at a personal level, contact the governor and ask them how you can be certain as a voter that trump won’t steal the election like he tried in 2020.

        let them know you’re paying attention.

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            I bet a few of them are.

            despite the fuckery, many policy decisions are changed by people calling in and emailing in and telling the elected officials that people are watching them and disagree with what they are doing.

            public opinion does make a difference, so on a personal level that’s what we can do.

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        Save up so you can buy a bus/train/plane ticket to DC if they try shit. If they do what they’re signaling and the legislature fails us it’ll be down to mass civil disobedience to keep the country from fascism.

        I wish I had a better answer, but they’ve eroded so many of our institutions.

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        Grassroots political activism and civic engagement. A sufficiently large victory would help discredit their methods going into the future. In the shorter term, our own legions of poll watchers will provide additional witnesses to offer witness testimony when things inevitably land in court.

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    He will try to ensure Harris is denied 270 votes in the Electoral College, sending the election to the House, where Republicans are likely to have the numbers to choose Trump as the next president

    This seems like the most likely outcome. System needs reform.

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    I’m sorry, dear US-American friends because you have a great democracy but also at the same time one of the most flawed electoral systems of any democratic state in the world…

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      By great, I meant that it is indeed the second largest democracy in the world and that, imperfect as it may be, it is functional… But that last statement will soon be put to the test I’m afraid.

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      I’m so demoralized. What parts stand out as a “great democracy” to you still?

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      We were kinda early to this whole deal. Most of y’all learned from us. And at least we aren’t doing whatever the hell England is with their House of Lords bs

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      What are you even talking about? What great democracy? Of course there are various positive and negative things the country has done over the decades, but applauding the Electoral College system isn’t something most people would agree with.

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    Overturning a Kamala Harris victory would require an enormous amount of help from Republican power brokers in statehouses and Congress, some of whom spurned him four years ago.

    That won’t be a problem for them. Republicans spurn only until it’s to their personal advantage to un-spurn.

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    He doesn’t control the federal government this time, so his chances are worse this time.

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    Very real? So americans don’t fight for anything and they will fight to put this grandpa in the whitehouse? Nah

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    I dunno if we’ve gotta worry about that, because every day, it’s looking more and more like Trump is going to win outright, again. No idea how, with all the experience and years to plan for this, we’re going to let this fucking cunt finally kill our Democracy. My faith in the United States is completely shattered.

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      I mean the clear and obvious answer is that the Democratic Party didn’t plan for shit. Their plan was running Biden again with their only platform being “We’re Not Trump.” In the years since January 6th, they’ve done nothing to safeguard our democracy, while Republicans have fervently planned for a coup.

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        This seems like a plan to me, but I guess I’m just brainwashed by the blue MAGA.

        Also, when the courts are stacked with ReDUMBlican dick suckers, the only real avenue we have is to win another election to keep on bringing these issues to the people who are, somehow, still “on the fence”. The traitors are a lost cause.

        Can’t really get any meaningful repercussions from those traitors when their “king” cunt keeps calling them “beautiful” and having his cohorts in the courts throw out any meaningful punishments…

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      The electoral college almost guarantees him a win, it was specifically designed to ensure the slave states always kept power, which is why when they finally lost in 1861, the first thing they did was flip the table.

      We really needed to let those states leave, would have been the best thing to ever happen to this country, the trash take themselves out.

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          I think reconstruction would have gone a lot faster if we’d handed the plantation owners to their slaves and walked away.

          They’ve been inciting racial violence for political ends ever since.

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      Yeah half of you guys are fucked, but you should come to Australia it’s only a boring level of corruption here. We read up on us politics to see what dumb stuff they’re up to for fun