So surprising, things have really changed since the “grab her by the pussy” days
“When they came for me, there was nobody left to help.”
Christian right woman will support this. “He’s right, I’m not fully capable.”
It’s weird having a branch of my family that has these values and family structure. They’d probably support the idea of the male head of a family having the only vote. And yet, they clearly don’t agree that men should be able to beat their wives, because it happened to one of their daughters and they quickly helped her leave her abusive husband. Good people with very backwards ideas.
The Anti-DEI people hate women? Whodathunk
Incels are finally having their moment. Next they will propose laws requiring hot girls to date them.
Not date them, breed ala handmaids tale
Incels aren’t getting shit out of this, this benefits rightwing patriarchs who have abused wives at home.
Incels are alone in a basement or some shit dreaming about being the rightwing patriarch but the rightwing patriarch doesn’t likely feel anything but disgust for the incel. They’d purge the incel in a heartbeat if they could.
It’s more about doing everything they can to increase white birthrates. This us very much to secure white identity and majority.
Replacement theory in effect
No they wouldn’t. That’s their voter base
Note the “if they could”
The government mandated girlfriend will finally come true for Incels.
Look at how Teheran women were dressed in the 70s, and contrast that to how they’re dressed now. The same future awaits American women.
Handmaids Tale, anyone?
Margaret Atwood is rolling in her… checks google… Well-appointed Canadian home.
I’m sure she’s just going “I literally warned all of you, and the government is using it as an instruction book.”
This never gets old.
Unfortunately this never gets old.
Yeah, no. US society is nothing like islamic societies. A faction if the rabid right thinks like this, and the rest of the right may agree to an extent, but they are aware that they can’t sell that to the majority. Plus, too many women jusdges.
‘‘Everyone is too reasonable for this to happen, despite the fact that the people in charge of every branch of government have repeatedly made it clear this is what they want to do’’
Yes, most people are against this. Also most people are pro choice, or at the very least pro choice in cases of medical necessity, rape or incest, and most people are against laws specifically designed to ethnically clense the US of Hispanic people entirely, or laws that prevent children from accessing modem healthcare, or an unelected billionaire acting as though he’s the president.
Most people being against something doesn’t mean they won’t do everything to make it happen. This has been in the works for the federalist society and so called family values groups and fundamentalist Christian nationalists for my entire life, this isn’t an accident that is happening now.
All it takes is heavy propaganda that exaggerates the upsides and downplays the downsides, while shutting down dissidence.
And they will still hate Muslims (and label all of them insane radicals) for Islam’s views on women. Even though Islamic views on women are actually better than what Christian nationalists believe.
oh to be so naive again…
You being pessimistic does not make you wise.
It does, apparently, make you condescending. But not wise.
And you saying “yeah, no” doesn’t constitute a rebuttal. There’s nothing in the Qur’an that isn’t in the Bible vis-à-vis the treatment of women. The only difference between Islamic societies is that they’ve convinced more people to take it literally, and it absolutely can happen in the US.
I didn’t say yeah no
I said the person I responded to was being rude to the person they responded to
It’s possible to disagree on a subject without implying the person you disagree with is a dumb child.
I apologise. It was elucubra who said “yeah no” and not you.
But what if they are a woman…?
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whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night.
I do not get any better or worse sleep by telling you you’re rude. You may be under the delusion you are responding to someone else.
But the rabid right-wing Christofascists running the GOP, are exactly like the religious nuts who took over Iran.
Oh please. What part of what’s happening now makes you think they give a damn what the rest of us think?
Can’t wait to see all the videos of right-wing women surprised: “What?!! No one told us he was going to do this! We thought when he said he hated women he was only trolling/owning the libs/joking around!”
Scanning the article, the practical threat (besides crazy ideological stunts) seems to be stealth disenfranchisement of this type:
House Republicans passed a bill (which stalled in the Senate) this session to require citizens to have a passport or birth certificate matching their name to vote. This would be a back-door ban on voting for any woman who took her husband’s last name and doesn’t have a passport, an estimated 69 million women. It would also disproportionately affect Republican women, who are more likely to be married, more likely to have changed their name and less likely to have a passport.
It won’t affect republican women because the people running those voting stations won’t enforce the rule for “their own”.
Dam I never thought about it
A passport always contains the current last name. If you took on a new one you have to get a new one issued. That’s standard pretty much all over the world.
Edit: Ok, a lot of users wrote that there’s no ID card/paper that’s common in other parts of the world. In my country a driver license is not enough to prove my identity because it’s not an ID card.
Guess you are fucked then.
Birth certificates can’t be changed and need to match, and that’s one of the forms of ID listed.
Passports aren’t free, and not everyone has one to begin with. This blatantly stonewalls women, especially underprivileged women.
Some states allow you to update your birth certificate after a legal name change. It’s definitely not universal, and much less likely in red states.
Some states allow you to update your birth certificate after a legal name change.
This also has a fee attached.
It’s definitely not universal, and much less likely in red states.
Yeah, even just checking, and it looks like Massachusetts doesn’t allow name changes for this purpose, and really only does it to correct mistakes at the time a record was made: "For example, you cannot change your birth record solely for a legal change of name. "
Did they even think any of this through? LOL
No one in my family has a passport. So with this law only the men could vote, unless they spend the money to get a passport despite not aiming to travel.
Most citizens in the divided states of southern north america do not have a passport though. And a birth certificate doesn’t have your current last name on it if you took someone else’s in marriage. That’s the point.
Americans are pretty weird about their ID things.
Other than a driver’s license, most of them don’t have any ID.
They don’t have any sort of unique ID number either. They have a social security number, which is not guaranteed to be unique. Two people can have the same SSN. One person can have two SSNs. You’re apparently supposed to keep your SSN secret, but they’re assigned somewhat sequentially and they get leaked a lot. It’s a clusterfuck.
SSNs are guaranteed to be unique upon assignment. The problem is that so many leaks have happened that nearly everyone’s has been stolen and is being used in some type of financial identity theft. The thieves are the people with two (or more) SSNs.
The sad thing is this is kinda solved in the advertising space. Like, they know who I am, uniquely, including emails, phone numbers, and drivers license. The data is available, but banks (the primary users of the SSN) are perpetually stuck with 30yo tech.
It is supposed to to keep your SSN secret and not carry the card with you everywhere but you have to memorize it and everyone and their dog is gonna ask for it. It is kinda scary how many times you have to give it out to random people over the phone or email.
SSN is about the worst identifier, but they have revamped the process to remove some of those issues. It should no longer be possible for people to be issued the same number, and they’re no longer sequential or assigned in geographic blocks.
Doesn’t change the existing ones, but going forward.
you have to get a new one issued
This is the part that’s mistaken: you don’t need a passport if you don’t travel to foreign lands. As far as I know, Americans usually prove their identity using a driver’s license, rarely using a passport.
Trump is like a 5 years old spoiled child…
This is creeps like Stephen Miller and the other nazi goons. Trump is an idiot. He’ll do anything if you compliment him enough.
For the believers, I think that tmany would be fine with this. It reinforces their preferred structure of a patriarchy in which they have a well-defined place and role (head of the domestic household, subservient to the man). No worries about having to deal with a fickle job market or figuring out what you want to do with your life. Your life path is set (get married, raise kids, take care of family), and, for some, that well-defined role the status that it conveys is really comforting. It provides a sense of security.
It’s why, I expect, while there are many who fight it, there are plenty of women in Muslim societies who are fine with things as they are. We emphasize with those women who chafe at that and fight it since we’ve history valued the individual rights of self-determination and freedom, of course.
Thats a big allure of the American taliban to some folks. It provides structure and defined roles in a chaotic world.
Of course, republican men like it for the power, but more importantly, that women voters mostly vote against them. Stopping women from voting would cement them in power.
If you gloss over the fact that it could be FUCKING VOLUNTARY instead of hate crime. your point is valid for anyone that loves to be forced to do things they don’t believe in
I’m not arguing for it, I agree that it’s fine if it’s a free choice. I don’t think personally that it’s a good one, though.
My point is that many of the women pushing this on the republican side view all of this, including their own loss of rights, as a positive likely. It’s not like a “leopards eating faces” or “voting against their interests” situation where they might be reachable.
But they are. As soon as they don’t want what they vote to force. It doesn’t matter what specific type of faschism or what rights they are removing, if they are removing rights they don’t need they are still being eaten by leopards once they fall down the other side, accidental or not
Project 2025 will create the Christian Taliban. I highly doubt the dumb fuck female MAGA voters will realize what they voted for.
Some of them want to be subservient. I’ve heard some even lament voting before. The Christian brainwashing is pervasive to all parts of life.
Under his eye
Eyeliner
Some of them are stupid enough to want it.
Republican women: dehumanizing themselves to pwn the libs since Reagan.
I can’t help but think of how this cartoon from the beginning of November got it completely backward
Eh not really getting the idea across:
looking for this?
Ah yes, that sends the right mix of feelings.
Damn dude. I applaud your effort for a quick laugh…well, not laugh, per se.
Thank you I absolutely love Photoshop battles this was like 90 seconds in Gimp.
I would have preferred to have folded the uniforms, tucked them under their arms and gotten rid of some of the white space in the upper right but time makes fools of us all.
It’s kind of unfortunate the community never took off over here.
Man I’d love to see Photoshop battles make a comeback on Lemmy. Seems like the perfect sized community for it.
Imagine how little self-respect you’d have to have to be a woman and vote Republican.
There is a real lack of critical thinking, too. I legit know a few Republican women that honestly think that not eating meat will make a man effeminate, and that men that eat meat are more manly.
Obviously due to stupid marketing, but even in their cinematic universe where this is “true” it makes no sense and has no consistency. I’ve asked them if they think that women that eat meat are going to spontaneously sprout a penis.
Not a USA citizen, but a Hungarian, but I think some stuff still holds ground in the USA ground: They primarily think these right-wing radicals are just “jolly little conservatives”, and not radicals, since they call themselves “conservatives”. Contrary to the naive liberal belief, conservatism isn’t just a jolly little belief of personally held traditions and healthy patriotism, it’s just “fascism lite” which will turn full-out fascism once the checks and balances are removed, or getting extremely frustrated with social change.
And also there’s the whole “you will get more conservative as you get older” propaganda, which makes a lot of young people “skip the liberalism and fast-forward to the inevitable”, and they either want to remain conservatives because “jolly little belief of personally held traditions and healthy patriotism”, or they believe they can’t leave. Many also go down the hate road, and they’ll get called all kinds of names if they forgive wrongdoers who were part of a minority, and they don’t weaponize that wrongdoing into genocidal thoughts. We seriously need to counter this whole “you will get more conservative as you get older” with something. Can someone contact Innuendo Studios? I have an idea for an episode of “The Alt-Right Playbook” if he still haven’t made one on this topic.
You get more liberal when you get older. puts on pirate hat and racks shotgun
Making sure that women have very little self-respect is one of the primary functions of American Evangelicalism.
Well surely it was never going to affect them. They are one of the good ones, it’s the others that need to be controlled. Why would they ever come for me if I am living a proper God fearing life?
Lydia, it’s because you vote for forcing others to do things they don’t believe in, not the specific things that are targeted at this moment
They unironically think Harris was some kind of monster and that it was all worth it to keep trans out of sports.
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What in the actual fuck are you talking about
I can tell you’re upset because I said truths you don’t like.
“Truths”, bro get your misogyny out of here.
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Yeah, the longer we go without acknowledging it, the more you prove my point.
No, I already acknowledged that you’re a misogynist.
Still proving my point.
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I’m not sure if the article covers it, still reading, but one of the things they want to do to disenfranchise transfoks is to require the the name on your birth certificate matches you’re legal name in order to vote.
As most married women don’t change their name on their birth certificate when they take their husbands last name, they would not be able to vote either.
Edit: The article does go into all of this.
Trans rights are human rights.
Interesting thing about that is that, while it’s still common practice, a lot of more left-leaning women did away with taking their husband’s name years ago
Yeah my wife and I just kept our name. Its funny because over the years we sorta wish we would have done the traditional thing as it would make a variety of things easier but now apparently its becoming a brilliant move.
My wife did the same, but for unofficial stuff, she uses my last name as hers.
yeah its more problematic for official stuff really. like being in the hospital. Its not much but like you tend to have to make it more clear your the spouse.
ID with the same address usually solves this for me.
a little conversation usually does but sometimes, if she is conscious, they have to verify with her and it can take a bit if they are to busy.
We got married ten years ago and she didn’t take my name. I’m very much cool with it, and it’s got easier over the years.
yeah it was a slow burn annoyance and she gets annoyed by it more than I but it took like 20 odd years to be like. This is sorta annoying. EDITED - hey so im rethinking and it started at about the 10 year mark and built up over time but as I said its little things. My wife has a lot of medical issues though so we might have more nuisance around it than the typical couple.
We all got our struggles. Ours are shitty and I’m sure you guys have shitty ones too. Fucking life is shitty. All we can do is try to help our people out when we can.
I took my spouse’s name because I hated my old one.
But I will happily be a class representative for the lawsuit against this bill.
Power to you!! Totally get wanting to change your name, people have plenty reason to do so!
Left leaning women are also far less likely to get married to begin with.
The article actually points all of that out, it will be Republican women who mostly are disenfranchised by this.
In a sort of twisted way that could result in a blue wave if they disenfranchised ~half of their own voters and not the left.
They’ll presumably remedy this by giving husbands extra votes on behalf of their wives and children, as in Franco-era Spain.
My wife didn’t take my last name and I’m so glad.
My mom never took my dad’s so I grew up with that being the norm, so I took it step further and my partner and I are not even married despite being together 11 years.
Yeah my partner and I didn’t get married until 8 years deep, and that’s going steady. We were fucking on and off for years before. We did it to appease our family. Never had any kids thank the hole in the ozone.
Tbqh i don’t know if we are ever gonna get married, just because it’s not the main priority, but I do make sure he’s my beneficiary for most things.
Holy. Fucking. Shit. That’s bad. That’s oppressively stupid fucking bad.
Hey Americans: Don’t want to be oppressed or live in a fascist state? Immigrate to Canada! We’re hella friendly and open to people’s of all kinds, except MAGAs and Nazis and or maga-nazis
If only it was that easy…
Hmm. You all raise a good point. As Canadians, I think we need to make it easier for Americans to immigrate here.
We need to experience and expertise and we need to learn how to expedite that to bring the right people here to help expand Canadas capabilities.
Canadians, how to we make this happen? I have zero knowledge how to make this happen.
You guys seem to have a very open asylum policy. Give it a few years and a lot of Americans might qualify without you doing anything else.
For real I’m not even allowed in that country for a crime I committed 20 years ago.
I mean, y’all gonna let me in? I need a place to crash for at least 4 years.
I would move up there next week if it was that easy and didn’t mean probably losing my awesome job. Oh, and it might be a bit disruptive for my family, too.
I’m moving to Sweden but I’ll be stopping by your way first! I’m too trans to let tsa look at my passport so I’m going to land travel to you all and take a plane out from there
Good luck at the border.
Unless things have changed significantly at the border in the past few years, there’s no process to leave the US. It’s just the Canadian border guard checking things as you enter their country.
Of course, if the GOP decides to fully enact Operation: Handmaid’s Tale, then that could change.
I was going to say, “no, stay and fight”, but on second thought I agree with this sentiment for more vulnerable groups like trans folks
Give us places to stay, welcome us, and offer us work and we’ll gladly come
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I’m still happy with Massachusetts, but my company is based in UK and we have an office outside Toronto. The road is paved
Toronto is the one city that everything else being even I think I might like to live more than where I am at.
Ha, if only that was an actual possibility. Most Americans will not qualify for immigration to Western countries.
I’d also hold off on thinking you’ll be safe. Poilievre might be unpopular now, but there’s a lot of time between now and the election. It’s not a slam dunk for Liberal, fascism can absolutely still rise in your country too.
Besides a province or two.
Eh…
We’re not a consolation prize, they’ve let shit get fucked in their country for decades.
Yeah. You’re absolutely right, but there’s still a ton of good Americans that Canada could utilize to help us build our industry that we need.
We need more than just exploited real estate in this country, and I’m sure a ton of Americans could help us make that happen at an accelerated level.
I’d much prefer to take in Americans that are disenfranchised with their country, than have a disenfranchised country try and turn us into a new Guam.
Also to make it harder for people with non western names to vote
Long term, this seems like an effective way to end that custom. What person would go into marriage changing their name when they know this attitude is at play?
It’s cute you think that’s not another right they’ll quickly take away from women as soon as they can.
Republicans destroy marriage with this one neat trick!
If they force women to change their names with marriage, women will simply stop getting married.
Oh you sweet summer child…
“We need Christian men leading the fight against abortion,” arguing that women’s suffrage was a mistake, and accusing Hawkins of emasculating her husband by being “busy jet-setting.”
This is only the first step. It will not stop until women are property.
If you don’t get married than your father will own you until he decides who you will marry.
so anyone who changes their name? So like a whole bunch of hollywood. two birds one stone I guess from their view.
If it’s a legal name change. But I assume a lot of Hollywood names aren’t legally changed, but more similar to a pen name.
I hate pasting this url but it talks about actors who did and the first one was because of a requirment for the actor to have the same stage and legal name so don’t understand that but it was david tennant so maybe something with international that complicated it. https://www.buzzfeed.com/kristenharris1/celebrities-changed-legal-names-stage-names
It depends on how much paperwork you do when you change your names, how much autocracy you want to fight
When my ex divorced me she warned me me she wasn’t going through that again so I just need to deal with her keeping my name. She kept half of everything else of mine so I guess it’s no difference
Well that was the thing. If we did it off the bat it was like a checkbox, but to do it later is a larger nuissance than the nuissance of them being different.
In British Columbia, there is no legal requirement to change your last name after marriage, and either spouse can legally use either last name at their leisure without any bureaucratic change. It is a genderless law.
Fuckin A, now I am really appreciating that.
Yep, that’s in there:
House Republicans passed a bill (which stalled in the Senate) this session to require citizens to have a passport or birth certificate matching their name to vote.
My wife and I were talking about this last night. She chose not to change her name when we got married, as she’s been down that road before and has no desire to do it again. I’m totally fine with it, she’s been able to grow and discover things about herself now that she “wasn’t allowed to” in her past marriage, and I love helping her realize that. We also just got our passports the other day - work wants me to get mine and paid for it, so she got hers as well.
i had some ideas about this that i shared recently https://lemmy.world/post/25499276
