• @Agent641@lemmy.world
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    2103 months ago

    Just like how Shek didn’t know that Fiona would turn into a SBBW ogre. He was prepared to wear an angry skinny white girl like a condom

  • @Jhex@lemmy.world
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    I’m no Disney expert but Belle is the only worthy Princess of the bunch

    She wanted to pursue knowledge, not a boy or just fun; she dropped everything to save her dad instead of causing his death or dethronement; she was fully aware how disgusting Gaston was regardless of appearance; she was seduced by books not riches; and yes, she was ready to ride the beast

        • @exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          93 months ago

          Controversy and debate about whether the condition exists for literal hostages in a violent/deadly situation is a step removed from talking about whether people become irrationally attached to manipulative romantic/sexual partners, and stay despite all rationality pointing towards leaving.

          I don’t know if Stockholm Syndrome exists for hostages held at gunpoint. But I do know that plenty of people have behaved irrationally about attachment to abusive people in their lives. And we don’t have to call that particular condition Stockholm Syndrome, but your argument doesn’t really disprove the topic of this discussion.

          • your argument doesn’t really disprove the topic of this discussion.

            Topic of Discussion

            I don’t know if Stockholm Syndrome exists for hostages held at gunpoint.

            Stockholm syndrome doesn’t require being held at gun point.

            The real issue is people behaving irrationally according to you. If you were in this situation, you would done the rational thing. Therefore, they must be irrational. They are, I’m part, to blame for their situation.

            But this is all predicted on your value system and not theirs. Stockholm syndrome doesn’t take into account their story and what convinced them to behave the way they did. It a heavy hand that decontextualizes events and removes victims agency. Accounting for these may still reveal something worth addressing for a smaller subset of victims who are trauma bonded, but it should patiently and diligently center and empower the voices of victims and not dismiss them as irrational

      • @chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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        If he’s verbally abusive, violent, and keeps you locked up as a prisoner, he isn’t necessarily evil.

        You can change him! Just be patient, accept him, and love him!

  • @otacon239@lemmy.world
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    That’s like, the moral of the whole movie is that she didn’t judge him for his appearance and wasn’t expecting a prince. I figured this was well known.

    • @vrojak@feddit.org
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      That’s the interpretation from the modern perspective on relationships. The tale is from a time where women (well, more like girls to be exact) were married off without any say of their own, and the tale was supposed to tell them “hey, we know the guy we’re forcing you to marry seems like a hairy monster, buuuuut if you can look past that he might be nice actually!”

      • @otacon239@lemmy.world
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        But in the Disney movie which the picture is referencing, it’s not a forced marriage, which is the version I think most people think of.

        To me, the original tales all felt like the Murphy’s Law of storytelling. While they are the originals and are much more mature material, I honestly feel the vast majority of Disney adaptations (I’m talking classic 2d series run) are better at teaching the lessons to a modern audience than the original stories. Times change and art often reflects this.

        Sadly, the pendulum has swung too far the other way and we’re remaking material in a span of time that the lessons haven’t changed all that much. That’s why you can go back to pretty much all eras of film and get valuable lessons from it because the lessons all still apply. It’s just that much of a new medium.

      • @otacon239@lemmy.world
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        I have to imagine there’s a meme or comic of Bella being all super excited ready to bang becoming disappointed once he transforms back into a human, but I wouldn’t know how to search for it without having to sift through piles of rule 34 to find one. I’m not brave enough.

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          Now that I think about it, I certainly was disappointed. He was a hot muscular beast until he turned into a cookie cutter long haired twink. Should have been a clue.

    • @General_Effort@lemmy.world
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      113 months ago

      Now that you mention it, I wonder what that says about the shift of sexual morals. The original French tale was written in 1740.

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      Right, Beauty, and the author’s thinly veiled fetish.

      • @Nangijala@feddit.dk
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        I know you’re kind of joking, but the story was written during a time where girls would often be married off to older men they didn’t know and the story was meant as a comfort/encouragement to these young girls that he may be ugly and old and not really what you dreamed of, but maybe he turns out to be an actually kind person who can give you a good life and you can learn to love him despite his looks.

  • 🍉 Albert 🍉
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    I can’t be the only one who was disappointed when the beast turned into generic inbred royal twink?

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    I wouldn’t blame Belle if she was disappointed and called it off.

    Tales can be cruel:

    And people underestimate big dommy furries:

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    TBF, the stories that Disney’s been strip-mining for generations’re crazy dark, originally.

    1. Sleeping Beauty woke to find she’d had two children, and now they were teens nearly as old as she was when she fell asleep. 🤮
    2. The Little Mermaid was double-crossed by a human princess last minute, and was turned into seafoam (died). 🥹
    3. ad nauseum…
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        They’re so clearly puritanical propaganda from way back that I’m consistently disappointed with modern society for slurping up Di$ney’s candy-coated versions that instill 99% of the same bullshit: stay at home forever, don’t defy your father/mother, royals are the magic cure-all, you’re born special (the world just doesn’t know it yet), etc.

        Between that steady stream of insidious hopium in the communal well and Religion® still holding global sway, I honestly have very little hope we’ll avoid extinction by our own hands, NGL. It’s not an if, it’s a when. 😄🫣😶

  • @exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Can’t find another source for this tweet from either Twitter or Reddit, but here’s a screenshot of this tweet by Twitter user @hiimbobbi:

    Personally, Belle was not fooling me or anyone. When the Beast changed into a human, I saw that look on her face. That was DISAPPOINTMENT.